Michigan Becomes A Right To Work State

Oh, you mean those states in the South that continually absorb more federal funds than they contribute due to their high poverty and low education rates? The same states that are the Republican strongholds. If you think that's the mold to follow, then you've proven the point that you support a race to the bottom, the destruction of the middle class and the redistribution of wealth from the wallets of the many, to the offshore accounts of a very few. You support removing that money from the economy, choking the economy and the middle class in the name of ostentatious wealth for a couple, of which you really, really hope you can be a part. You'll carry Mitt's jock if he'll give you a chance to pretend you're part of the rich-boys club. And you'll do that while walking on the backs of the hardworking Americans who built this country.

Think this whole thing through. How will desroying the unions improve your life? How will breaking the unions potentially have a negative impact on your life? How about how it will affect the greater populace of the nation? There's no advantage to the middle class for this legislation. None.

Please, just tell me how this legislation benefits the middle class. So far the only reasons provided are completely bogus.

My issues with unions is how they limit growth and opportunity for the employees.
Too often it is the guy/gal with the most seniority that gets the bid on a higher paying position or preferred shift rather than the employee that is better qualified.
They suppress the wages of more productive workers and raise the wages of the less competent. They redistribute wealth between workers. Everyone gets the same seniority-based raise regardless of how much or little he contributes.

Learning opportunities are reduced because they won't allow for cross training in other areas of the company because that is not your job therefore you can't learn it unless you go outside the company to learn the new skill. In house cross training is like free school for the employee.

Unions decrease the number of jobs available in the economy. The vast majority of manufacturing jobs lost over the past three decades have been among union members–non-union manufacturing employment has risen.

Or we can continue you & Obama's model, have more and more American businesses close because our products are no longer competitive in a global market.

Record numbers on food stamps, people graduating from college and having to go overseas to find work. Record amounts on disability and entitlement spending continues to increase while people paying into the system continues to fall.
Adopt the French model where unemployment is 5% higher than what Obama keeps it at.

FredHayek wrote: Or we can continue you & Obama's model, have more and more American businesses close because our products are no longer competitive in a global market.

Record numbers on food stamps, people graduating from college and having to go overseas to find work. Record amounts on disability and entitlement spending continues to increase while people paying into the system continues to fall.
Adopt the French model where unemployment is 5% higher than what Obama keeps it at.

So you admit you welcome the race to the bottom. You admit you look forward to $5/hr or less labor wages. You admit you think American workers deserve no better than a bowl of rice in their shany hut at the end of their 16 hour day. All so you can buy an extra jet ski or a bigger tv? Wow, you're a real piece of work. If America has to bend over and take it from the 'job creators' in order for them to 'let us eat cake', then they can go Galt, get the hell out, they're only in the way and doing nobody any good. Go make your fortunes in Somalia...you won't have to pay exhorbitant tax rates there. Go sell your products in the Sahara...regulations won't stifle your desire to expand. America does not need to cater to these extortionists. America can take care of itself.

You're such a fool you criticize those requesting assistance while ignoring the fact that more American people need that assistance due to the policies you supported! Actually, you're not a fool...you're fully aware of the impact of these policies, but hey, if you can make a buck off it...then they're the fools for not taking advantage of the system.

FredHayek wrote:

plaidvillain wrote: Those of you who support this 'right to work' legislation, why do you support it? It's sold as giving an advantage to the state to attract business and jobs, but if surrounding states also have similar legislation, what is the advantage? I think the 'business environment advantage' argument has more holes than swiss cheese and is a bogus argument for this legislation. So what is really the goal? I don't see the advantage to such legislation. Michigan already had legislation allowing employees to work without joining the union, so nobody was forced to join or prohibited from a job for not joining (I know, I know, I know, you ALL have your anecdotal stories about your wife's cousins best friends father in laws buddy in Michigan who was 'intimidated' by some union thug...bs...give me real facts, or if you want to make the 'intimidation' argument, document some real cases because I think your anecdotal evidence is highly exagerated, if true at all, and the only personal stories you've relayed were years ago).

Think this whole thing through. How will desroying the unions improve your life? How will breaking the unions potentially have a negative impact on your life? How about how it will affect the greater populace of the nation? There's no advantage to the middle class for this legislation. None.

Please, just tell me how this legislation benefits the middle class. So far the only reasons provided are completely bogus.

Per the Heritage Foundation, the unemployment rate in right to work states is lower than other states, from 8.4% to 7.7%. One advantage that the GOP is delivering to the American worker, jobs. Obama still has unemployment at 7.7% nationally.

Really, the Heritage Foundation? According to BLS, there is only about .5% difference in the unemployment rates between right to work states and non right to work states, and the wage differential is significant.

plaidvillain wrote:

FredHayek wrote: Or we can continue you & Obama's model, have more and more American businesses close because our products are no longer competitive in a global market.

Record numbers on food stamps, people graduating from college and having to go overseas to find work. Record amounts on disability and entitlement spending continues to increase while people paying into the system continues to fall.
Adopt the French model where unemployment is 5% higher than what Obama keeps it at.

So you admit you welcome the race to the bottom. You admit you look forward to $5/hr or less labor wages. You admit you think American workers deserve no better than a bowl of rice in their shany hut at the end of their 16 hour day. All so you can buy an extra jet ski or a bigger tv? Wow, you're a real piece of work. If America has to bend over and take it from the 'job creators' in order for them to 'let us eat cake', then they can go Galt, get the hell out, they're only in the way and doing nobody any good. Go make your fortunes in Somalia...you won't have to pay exhorbitant tax rates there. Go sell your products in the Sahara...regulations won't stifle your desire to expand. America does not need to cater to these extortionists. America can take care of itself.

You're such a fool you criticize those requesting assistance while ignoring the fact that more American people need that assistance due to the policies you supported! Actually, you're not a fool...you're fully aware of the impact of these policies, but hey, if you can make a buck off it...then they're the fools for not taking advantage of the system.

Do you have a source for this long list of bullshyte?

plaidvillain wrote:

FredHayek wrote: Or we can continue you & Obama's model, have more and more American businesses close because our products are no longer competitive in a global market.

Record numbers on food stamps, people graduating from college and having to go overseas to find work. Record amounts on disability and entitlement spending continues to increase while people paying into the system continues to fall.
Adopt the French model where unemployment is 5% higher than what Obama keeps it at.

So you admit you welcome the race to the bottom. You admit you look forward to $5/hr or less labor wages. You admit you think American workers deserve no better than a bowl of rice in their shany hut at the end of their 16 hour day. All so you can buy an extra jet ski or a bigger tv? Wow, you're a real piece of work. If America has to bend over and take it from the 'job creators' in order for them to 'let us eat cake', then they can go Galt, get the hell out, they're only in the way and doing nobody any good. Go make your fortunes in Somalia...you won't have to pay exhorbitant tax rates there. Go sell your products in the Sahara...regulations won't stifle your desire to expand. America does not need to cater to these extortionists. America can take care of itself.

You're such a fool you criticize those requesting assistance while ignoring the fact that more American people need that assistance due to the policies you supported! Actually, you're not a fool...you're fully aware of the impact of these policies, but hey, if you can make a buck off it...then they're the fools for not taking advantage of the system.

OK, I have a great solution to increase wages in America. Lock up all illegal aliens for six months. Once they realize they can't earn money here, they won't enter illegally.

That will work a lot better to increase wages than your planned trade war.

Construction job wages will increase, farmers will have to pay real wages for labor, or invest in more capital to replace illegal aliens.

Plus for stimulus spending, the illegal immigrant camps will require thousands of guards and construction people to build them.

No wonder wages are stagnant or falling, million of aliens driving prices for work down.

You're laughable, Fred...you know your argument is completely bogus so you try to switch to the next scapegoat on your list. Your argument against the unions fails, so now you'll blame all your problems on illegal immigrants. Pathetic.

Heisenberg, you want a source for my comments? They're my comments, why would I need to source them? I did not cite statitstics or other references that should be sourced. Do you understand how this whole thing works? Now if you're actually asking what inspired my comments, simply re-read Fred's drivel (you may need to do this a few times), and if you can comprehend it all, you'll see that Fred advocates a weakened American economy and middle class, as well as reduced wages, benefits and working conditions for the American people. Not only that, you'll understand that Fred is more than happy to open up his mouth, stick out his tongue, and lick the boots of his beloved 'job creators'.

Cesar Chavez would be turning over in his grave if he could see how the unions have not stood up to the massive influx of illegals into the workforce.