Guns and Crime

liberal gun owner is an oxymoron.

And what a laugh this is:

That makes $1265.00 to procure one deer for your family. If you get a lot of meat from a deer, say 125 pounds then you are paying roughly $9.88 per pound. Don’tcha think you could buy hamburger for cheaper?

Martin Ent Inc wrote: liberal gun owner is an oxymoron.

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...just like "gun-free" zone!

Martin Ent Inc wrote: liberal gun owner is an oxymoron.

Well...So much for the civil discussion with respect

OK----get the picture - first graders butchered in their classroom- shot multiple times....the shooters mother shot multiple times in the face.....get it please....little bodies bloodied in a pile

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automatic weapons must be again banned

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bloody evil.

Silence of the lambs.........

cydl wrote: The bottom line is that there are very ill and/or evil people in the world and there will not always be intervention available when the evil presents itself. The most we can do is manage the risks to the best of our ability. 9/11 was committed by evil persons with boxcutters. The OKC bomber committed his evil with fertlizer and diesel fuel. The largest school massacre in the US was committed by a janitor filling the basement of the school with explosives over a period of time. Could any of those been stopped? Possibly, but the circumstances were such that they were not stopped for any number of reasons.

The one big issue that stands out for me in the recent rash of evil behavior is the common denominator of mental illness that is well documented and untreated/unchecked. Seems to me that if these people had received some sort of treatment or had been hospitalized when family, friends and professionals expressed concern that none of these events would have happened.

Perhaps. I won't argue those points with you. However, my belief is still, and will always be, we need to reach some sort of consensus on how to address these issues that include a wide ranging array of possibilities. By focusing our attention on one issue only, we accomplish nothing. It's sorta like "spittin' into a hurricane", so to speak.

Martin Ent Inc wrote: liberal gun owner is an oxymoron.

And what a laugh this is:

That makes $1265.00 to procure one deer for your family. If you get a lot of meat from a deer, say 125 pounds then you are paying roughly $9.88 per pound. Don’tcha think you could buy hamburger for cheaper?

So say you. You've stated in the past it's one way or the other. Why is it that liberals can't own guns?

And if mentally ill people didn't have such easy access to guns, there's a good chance that the body count would have been less...

LadyJazzer wrote: And if mentally ill people didn't have such easy access to guns, there's a good chance that the body count would have been less...

So you want to lock up the mentally ill?

Hmm, fair start guess I'll chime back in.

Not sure how many here are familiar with any kind of martial arts, but the phrase "everything starts from within" simply means that sometimes to move the outside world, we must first move ourselves.

ZHawke wrote: Taken together, facilitating a paradigm shift in how we view/feel/treat each other, maybe we can make a difference. TEACH PEACE!

With all due respect, "Teach peace" is a very misguided sentiment, "learn peace" however is not.

I need to back up just a little bit here. In each crime/violence scenario there is but ONE commonality, human. From a scientific view point it is the one consistent and ironically usually the most danced around and yet unlooked facet. Upon closer study you have the "affect/effect" quotient, meaning that the actions YOU 'affect' upon someone will cause some sort of 'effect' from them. "Teach peace"?... we're talking humans here, what if they don't want to learn? Take the term 'martial arts' as used above. Typically the first thing people think about is using the body to bestow some sort of violent action upon another, rarely do they think about inner focus, alignment of oneself and then tuning into the surroundings in order to be a unity of balance and blending with the environment. So in retrospect, in order to 'teach' one must first learn.

From a very personal stand-point, there are far too many "un-learned" people in this world. Some have no desire, while others no proper direction. Just like computers the human mind works along the same principle of garbage in, garbage out. And in American society directly, our own sources of media and entertainment predicate and sensationalize the 'garbage in' aspect. I'm sure many in here have either dealt first hand or at least have become familiar with the incident of a child acting out all for attention. While that has little to do with media in most cases, its an inside look into the average human brain. There is a basic need for social interaction and when that's not met, sometimes acting in a disapproving manner oddly facilitates and accomplishes that goal for the individual in question. To teach, we must first learn, and youth does indeed imitate that which they witness.

This may seem to have little to do with my original post and the blog linked, but it actually does. People want more control on guns, they create certain propaganda and make comments, and/or express their dislike for an inanimate object. An object that requires the use of mankind to function.

Humans, very capable of great things..... also very capable of very bad things. "Take the guns away and bad people will find other methods." This statement is often emphasized by citing actions such as the Oklahoma City bombing. The counter-point to this argument is that greater restrictions have been placed on fertilizers, fuels and components to make them less harmful/less accessible for use for such things.

Let me now take you all deep inside 'bad human' capability:

There are those of us who can walk into nearly ANY home, and using only commonly found chemicals within, (cleaning products, automotive fluids, cosmetics, and even everyday food ingredients), can create concoctions that can be extremely harmful or in some cases absolutely deadly to MASSES of people. Now entertain an answer to this question. Should this type of person be detained, questioned, subjected to 'corrective' measures, etc?.... If your answer is "yes", then I'd suggest you take a very good look within yourself first. Because some of us, were just very good at chemistry class, and happen to know its a "no-no" to mix certain ingredients due to the health concerns they pose.

If your answer is "yes", then anyone who understands this is a "threat".



Sure, may seem like "Greek" to you, (pun intended), but again what we have here is something that can either be used for the purposes of "good" or "evil", again the common factor is HUMAN.

Let's take one more look because seriously the list is endless, but if we're talking dark deeds we may as well offer a couple examples.

So not everyone can walk into a house and brew up a quick potion of mass homicide, thusly limiting the potential for evil.... but what about those of us with mechanical ability? Your vehicle. Device for convenient transportation or rolling bomb/death trap? With even a very basic knowledge of the mechanics behind most combustion engine vehicles, there are those that using only the elements alreadly found within (and maybe just a couple extra harmless by themself items), give people a VERY bad day. What's even more interesting is this "bad day" can take place rather instantly upon the turn of a key, or it can also be a slightly delayed process. After all, if carnage is the goal, why just take out the occupant in their garage when in approximately 10-20 minutes they'll be at the light right next to that bus stop? But again, the same person with knowledge of this, might not have such intentions. They just want to put in a new fuel pump, thus getting it running for you so they can be paid.

Human, a being with the ability to do either great good.... or great bad. Limiting the tools, only makes them more creative. Oh they'll learn, they'll learn a means of destruction to acheive their goal and then carry it out. It can be argued that once that mindset is in place, no manner of "teaching" will ever prevail. Learn yourself, stick to what you've learned, lead by example and with any luck others will follow suit. This unfortunately doesn't mean the world will be a better place. Its a sad fact that there are those who don't want peace at all.


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