uncivilized warfare

18 Jan 2013 10:44 #1 by Blazer Bob
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/201 ... e-corners/


.."People who have no experience at storming a building by going through the walls are apt to just burn the whole thing down. They don’t know how to do anything else. Armies accustomed to garrison duty or suppressing internal populations will use the same brutal methods they learned from routine when faced with a new enemy. They are not — in the short term at least — about to become SEALS.

The experience of Europe during the 30 years War is reminder of how “uncivilized” warfare was. War is always uncivilized, there are degrees of barbarity even in inhumanity.


A major consequence of the Thirty Years’ War was the devastation of entire regions, denuded by the foraging armies (bellum se ipsum alet). Famine and disease significantly decreased the population of the German states, Bohemia, the Low Countries, and Italy; most of the combatant powers were bankrupted. While the regiments within each army were not strictly mercenary, in that they were not units for hire that changed sides from battle to battle, some individual soldiers that made up the regiments were mercenaries. The problem of discipline was made more difficult by the ad hoc nature of 17th-century military financing; armies were expected to be largely self-funding, by means of loot taken or tribute extorted from the settlements where they operated. This encouraged a form of lawlessness that imposed severe hardship on inhabitants of the occupied territory..............."

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18 Jan 2013 12:02 #2 by FredHayek
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Why the Algerians didn't ask for US assistance doesn't make much sense. Even Russia's special forces have issues clearing rooms with hostages inside.

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18 Jan 2013 16:28 #3 by otisptoadwater
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FredHayek wrote: Why the Algerians didn't ask for US assistance doesn't make much sense. Even Russia's special forces have issues clearing rooms with hostages inside.


Don't lose sight of the desired result, if stopping the bad guys is the only objective then hostages in the same space are on their own. Many countries write off hostages when it becomes too difficult to recover them.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

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18 Jan 2013 20:53 #4 by FredHayek
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One report today said the hostage buses were strafed by Algerian forces. Sounds like a poor strategy.

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20 Jan 2013 20:42 #5 by UNDER MODERATION
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Is this what you guys talk about? Serious discussions about hostages free'ing techniques? Like you know what youre talking about anyway?

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