Happy 40th BABY!

23 Jan 2013 11:45 #21 by LadyJazzer
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It IS a day to celebrate a victory...It's the day that courts settled once and for all that politicians, political parties, religious institutions, and right-to-lifers no longer get make health-decisions for women. Over the years they've obviously found ways to make it more difficult to obtain the services guaranteed by that law...But they can no longer make those decisions for women.

Indeed 70% DO support Roe v. Wade. And as the population ages, and the angry-white-guys die off, this will slowly go the way of so many other things the conservatives find themselves "on the wrong side of".

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23 Jan 2013 11:51 #22 by archer
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To be more specific.....70% of people do not want to overturn Roe v Wade, that does not mean that 70% of people approve of abortion....

Taken from the poll:

Q21 The Supreme Court's 1973 Roe versus Wade decision established a woman's constitutional right to an
abortion, at least in the first three months of pregnancy. Would you like to see the Supreme Court
completely overturn its Roe versus Wade decision, or not? (IF "YES" OR "NO," ASK:) And do you feel
strongly about that or not?
1/13
Yes, Overturn 24
Feel strongly ................................... 21
Do not feel strongly ......................... 3
No, Do Not Overturn 70
Do not feel strongly ......................... 13
Feel strongly ................................... 57
Not sure ........................................ 6


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Secti ... estion.pdf

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23 Jan 2013 13:29 #23 by FredHayek
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It isn't settled for once and all. Supreme Court decisions can and have been overturned, but I think Roe V. Wade will remain law in this land for the rest of our lifetimes. Even conservative courts haven't sought to overturn the ruling and have actually re-affirmed it when certain states try to limit abortion rights.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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23 Jan 2013 13:36 #24 by LadyJazzer
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FredHayek wrote: It isn't settled for once and all. Supreme Court decisions can and have been overturned, but I think Roe V. Wade will remain law in this land for the rest of our lifetimes. Even conservative courts haven't sought to overturn the ruling and have actually re-affirmed it when certain states try to limit abortion rights.


And the more time goes by, the fewer and fewer people there will be who are likely to overturn it... Thank heavens.

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23 Jan 2013 14:43 - 23 Jan 2013 15:00 #25 by bailey bud
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archer wrote: To be more specific.....70% of people do not want to overturn Roe v Wade, that does not mean that 70% of people approve of abortion....


In a similar study, only about two-thirds of persons surveyed even know what Roe... is about (a portion of those two-thirds likely guessed).

Ergo
although respondents don't generally support overturning Roe, only a third of the MSNBC respondents seem to think abortions should be legal "all the time" (see Q32). That's why states have introduced restrictions that are designed to reduce the frequency of abortion (as opposed to deny individuals a choice).

I'm not really a fan of commercial media polls. The Pew Forum is less of a commercial outlet (it's non-profit, and scientifically samples 1,500 adults, compared to MSNBC's 1000 interview convenience sample).

Here's the Pew report. I'm part of the 18 percent.

http://www.pewforum.org/Abortion/Public ... -Wade.aspx

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23 Jan 2013 14:47 #26 by FredHayek
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18%'r here too. It should be legal, but I would have real trouble making that decision to abort.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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24 Jan 2013 19:49 #27 by UNDER MODERATION
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FredHayek wrote: 18%'r here too. It should be legal, but I would have real trouble making that decision to abort.


lol ..especially since it's physically impossible for you to get pregnant...

You're wife has probably been pregnant a few times, she just decided not to tell you about it

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24 Jan 2013 19:50 #28 by UNDER MODERATION
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bailey bud wrote:

archer wrote: To be more specific.....70% of people do not want to overturn Roe v Wade, that does not mean that 70% of people approve of abortion....


In a similar study, only about two-thirds of persons surveyed even know what Roe... is about (a portion of those two-thirds likely guessed).

Ergo
although respondents don't generally support overturning Roe, only a third of the MSNBC respondents seem to think abortions should be legal "all the time" (see Q32). That's why states have introduced restrictions that are designed to reduce the frequency of abortion (as opposed to deny individuals a choice).

I'm not really a fan of commercial media polls. The Pew Forum is less of a commercial outlet (it's non-profit, and scientifically samples 1,500 adults, compared to MSNBC's 1000 interview convenience sample).

Here's the Pew report. I'm part of the 18 percent.

http://www.pewforum.org/Abortion/Public ... -Wade.aspx



You're really full of yourelf, arent ya..? :blahblah:

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24 Jan 2013 20:19 #29 by FredHayek
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VL Unchained wrote:

You're really full of yourelf, arent ya..? :blahblah:

:faint: Really? Really?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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24 Jan 2013 20:23 #30 by UNDER MODERATION
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FredHayek wrote:

VL Unchained wrote:

You're really full of yourelf, arent ya..? :blahblah:

:faint: Really? Really?



Yeah...The guy spends a few weeks in Doha and now thinks he's worldly. I hate pontificators

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