Republicans Come Out Against Election-Rigging Scheme

25 Jan 2013 13:47 #1 by LadyJazzer

Virginia Election-Rigging Plan Draws Opposition From State Republicans

RICHMOND, Va. — A Republican-backed bill to convert Virginia's winner-take-all method of apportioning presidential electors to one that awards electors one-by-one by congressional districts is likely doomed for the year.

At least two GOP state senators say they oppose the bill. That would leave it short of the majority it needs in a Virginia Senate where Democrats and Republicans hold 20 seats apiece.

Republican Sen. Jill Vogel said she'd oppose the measure in a Senate committee Tuesday and on the floor should it get that far. GOP Sen. Ralph Smith of Roanoke also will oppose it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... f=politics

Oh darn... Can't even get their own party to participate in the election-rigging (read: cheating) scheme...

Well, if you can't win elections with your ideas, then the GOTP has to resort to what it always does...and does best: Cheat... Too bad they can't even get their own party to go along with it.

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25 Jan 2013 13:55 #2 by LadyJazzer
And in other news:

Montana Voter ID Bill Tabled In Committee

Montana lawmakers dealt a blow to voter identification proponents by effectively killing a bill that would have limited voter ID options.

"We have been working with people and the case had been made that this was an effort to disenfranchise voters by making it harder to get people to the polls," state House Democratic Caucus Chairman Bryce Bennett (D-Missoula) told The Huffington Post.

"Voter fraud is nonexistent in Montana," he said. "We asked current and former secretaries of state of both parties about fraud and impersonation and there was not anything reputable. There is a paranoia out there but there was no reputable cases."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... f=politics

Looks like another voter-suppression law is slapped down... Dang... Whatever will the GOTP do if they have to compete on ideas? Especially since they're running out of old-angry-white-guys?

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25 Jan 2013 13:56 #3 by FredHayek
Generally it is a bad idea to split a state's electoral votes. Reduces the power of your state in elections. If Colorado had split their votes, 5 for one party and 4 for another, we wouldn't have been a battleground state. (And we wouldn't have been visited so often.)
On second thought, I support Colorado doing this. Then Romney would have got 4 electoral votes and we wouldn't have had so many traffic issues with all the motorcades.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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25 Jan 2013 15:46 #4 by Dumblonde
No worries, ALEC will either whip them into shape or primary them out.

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25 Jan 2013 18:10 #5 by pineinthegrass
I guess I'm confused. The posted link isn't too clear to me.

I guess they are talking about winner-take-all for county votes? Because 48 of the states are winner-take-all (so does that "surpress voters" too?).

And the article talks about Republicans opposed to it, so where's the problem?

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25 Jan 2013 18:54 #6 by LadyJazzer
Yes... You are confused.

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25 Jan 2013 19:21 #7 by pineinthegrass
Other than I made the mistake of saying "county" rather than congressional district, I think I asked a fair question. And I haven't even taken a stand on it.

If it supresses votes to go winner-take-all in a congressional district, doesn't the same apply for a state which is winner-take-all for the electoral college?

Wouldn't it be fairer, and thus less "supression" if electoral votes are awarded based on the percentage of the vote instead?

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25 Jan 2013 19:28 #8 by LadyJazzer
Only if you believe in the concept of rigging-the-votes so that the popular vote majority of the state is rendered moot by political stealing.

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25 Jan 2013 19:33 #9 by pineinthegrass

LadyJazzer wrote: Only if you believe in the concept of rigging-the-votes so that the popular vote majority of the state is rendered moot by political stealing.


Which is nothing that I mentioned.

Non answer.

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25 Jan 2013 19:37 #10 by LadyJazzer
On the contrary, it answered your question of why it's not fair. If you choose not to see it, that's not my problem...

What The 2012 Election Would Look Like Under The Republicans' Vote-Rigging Plan

Of course, I doubt that it's a problem of "not seeing it", but choosing to go with anything that achieves the desired result.

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