Beats Her to Death, Gets Off with $50,000 Fine

She WAS one tough kid.


" Saudi police had found the 5-year-old wandering the streets, she was taken to the hospital and placed in intensive care.

The side of her head had been mashed in, her back was broken, she had a skull fracture, bleeding in the head, a broken left hand, bruises all over her body, and burns that apparently came from an iron. One of her fingernails had been pulled out. There were signs that she had been sexually assaulted in various ways that are too horrific to describe, but that are in serial killer territory.

Lama died in the hospital and a trial began."


http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com ... r-old.html

Let's be clear - the lunacy has nothing to do with Islam.

It wasn't a fine - it was blood money --- a concept that originated with Hammurabi, and is still alive and well in eastern cultures.

Muslims in the region are infuriated seeing him get away.

Finally, just because he shows up in media venues, doesn't mean he's a good Muslim or authority on Islam.
(Fox snooze would like to portray him as a representative of Islam - and I'll take exception to that portrayal)

Terry Jones shows up in media a lot - you think he's a good Christian? How about Fred Phelps???

Listen to AM radio on the weekend, some time --- there's thousands of nut cases with shows out there. It doesn't make them legit.

Unfortunately, some defense lunatics are trying to defend this nut using Islamic Hadith. (At-Tirmidhi)

You can read the Hadith, here:
http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/16

There's a catch --- the Hadith invoked by the defendant talks about a man who kills his son --- not a man who kills his daughter.

BB, do you see him more as a isolated lunatic or more part of a fringe lunacy?

bailey bud wrote: Let's be clear - the lunacy has nothing to do with Islam.

It wasn't a fine - it was blood money --- a concept that originated with Hammurabi, and is still alive and well in eastern cultures.

Muslims in the region are infuriated seeing him get away.

Finally, just because he shows up in media venues, doesn't mean he's a good Muslim or authority on Islam.
(Fox snooze would like to portray him as a representative of Islam - and I'll take exception to that portrayal)

Terry Jones shows up in media a lot - you think he's a good Christian? How about Fred Phelps???

Listen to AM radio on the weekend, some time --- there's thousands of nut cases with shows out there. It doesn't make them legit.

Unfortunately, there's lots of lunacy in Saudi Arabia. Although the lunacy is not widespread, it does survive with the endorsement of a small sect of Islam
(Christianity has a few relatively isolated sects where these things happen, as well - although I'm unaware of any 5 year olds being attacked for comparable reasons)

These days, there's nothing reasonable in any cultural context about attacking your daughter for losing virginity --- and there's nothing sane about questioning a 5-year-old's virginity.

I don't question most of the facts --- but the phrase "a frequent guest on Islamic TV programs" is being used to portray this guy as a mainstream Muslim. He's not.

Google his name - and then try to remove any references to the case at-hand ---- I don't think you'll find a lot of evidence that he's a widely followed individual.

"Unfortunately, there's lots of lunacy in Saudi Arabia."

Human rights in Saudi Arabia are intended to be based on Islamic religious laws under rule of the Saudi royal family.[1] The government of Saudi Arabia, and the Saudi legal system, has been criticized for its treatment of religious and political minorities, homosexuals, apostates, and women. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ratified the International Convention against Torture in October 1997 according to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. The Human rights of Saudi Arabia are specified in article 26 of the Basic Law of Saudi Arabia. Recently created human rights organisations include Human Rights First Society (2002),[2] Association for the Protection and Defense of Women's Rights in Saudi Arabia (2007),[3] Saudi Civil and Political Rights Association (2009)[4][5] and the government-associated National Society for Human Rights (2004).[6][7] In 2008, the Shura Council ratified the Arab Charter on Human Rights.[8] In 2011, the Specialized Criminal Court was used to charge and sentence human rights activists.[9][10] At the U.N. Third Millennium Summit in New York City, The King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz defended Saudi Arabia's position on human rights, saying "It is absurd to impose on an individual or a society rights that are alien to its beliefs or principles." [/b][/i]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... udi_Arabia

Bailey Bud... you can't defend it. Even the nation of Saudi Arabia itself contradicts your position.

The Economist had an interesting piece last week noting dissent against some of the more rigid moral rules by the youth on Twitter poking fun at the religious police and goofy rules. Hopefully this might signal a change in the Kingdom as the old guard dies off.

The UN quote is 12+ years old. Things have evolved (although slowly). Yes, they're far from ideal.
The Department of State reports on Human Rights issues, world-wide.

Here's their take on Saudi:

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/hu ... 47#wrapper

I would note that there's a good reason I've never been to Saudi. (I've been to every other GCC country - including Yemen - and have also been to Iran - which in my opinion, treats women better than Saudi). The most visible Saudi clerics follow a nasty variety of Islam known as Wahhabism.

Although Saudi Arabia is the home to two holy Muslim cities --- it is NOT the heart of Islam ---- Al-Azhar University in Cairo is. Indeed, Al-Azhar has on numerous times refuted Saudi fatwas - especially on the topic of women. Al-Azhar has even called Wahhabism one of the greatest threats to Islam (much like main-line Protestant scholars - critiquing the rise of fundamentalism in the American church).

To re-iterate my original thoughts --
a) the repulsive actions of the Saudi cleric do not reflect the prevailing attitude in Saudi
b) the repulsive actions of the Saudi cleric do not reflect the prevailing attitude among Muslims
c) Any attempt to represent the lunatics as mainstream - either in Islam or Arabia --- would be misguided.