Should Colorado Give Illegal Aliens Driver Licenses? (AP)

11 Apr 2013 08:54 #1 by FredHayek
Looks like the bill passed its first hurdle. Is it time to regulate the non-citizens living among us? On one side, I think we need to discourage and make living here difficult and encourage them to go back home or apply for citizenship. But on the other hand, the pragmatist in me thinks it is time for them to step up and get training in our motor vehicle laws, increase their knowledge of English and buy insurance if they are going to be buying and operating vehicles.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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12 Apr 2013 08:49 #2 by Mtn Gramma
I'm opposed to granting them a DL. However, if the law comes to allow it, the licenses need to be different enough in appearance that they can't be used to vote or register to vote.

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12 Apr 2013 08:51 #3 by LadyJazzer
Yes, because we all know how many cases of illegal-alien voter-fraud there were in Colorado..... :Snooze

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12 Apr 2013 09:20 #4 by FredHayek

Mtn Gramma wrote: I'm opposed to granting them a DL. However, if the law comes to allow it, the licenses need to be different enough in appearance that they can't be used to vote or register to vote.


Just curious, do legal aliens, those with green cards, just use a regular Colorado driver's license? Legal aliens can't vote.

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12 Apr 2013 09:39 #5 by gmule
US law already allows for the drivers of other countries to drive here providing that they purchase liability insurance and have a valid visa to be here.
I know that when I go to Germany my Colorado drivers license will be acceptable to use there for 6 months. If I am in country longer than 6 months I will need to get an extension or an actual German license.

Why are we wanting to grant people that are here illegally the same privileges as legal citizens? This encourages people to break the law.
If you think natural born citizens are against illegal immigration you should talk to someone who has become a naturalized citizen.

If you have a green card you are here legally and can get a local drivers license.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/ ... 2ca60aRCRD

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13 Apr 2013 06:22 #6 by The Boss
Given that just about anyone with any level of intelligence or driving skill can get a license if they are a US citizen over 16,17 and we have constant deaths all over the place....

You folks are talking about essentially restricting drivers licenses, ebracing the "show me your papers" type of society we traditionally took pride in not being, actually fought against, as a method to keep people of certain non-violent legal status down? Oh my goodness.

Again, the many states' drivers license programs are failed attempts at public safety allowing close to 50,000 deaths a year to slip by and you want to contort this system into a way to keep illegal aliens down in stead of focusing on it to reduce the 50,000 deaths a year?

Is this even sane? Is this the next thing our leaders need to discuss? Can anyone think of anything more important for them to do or eliminate as a next step for a strapped govt? Those on both sides of this issue are wrong, you don't use a hammer to feed your baby, it is not reasonable to use any level of control your govt has over people to contort the lives of non-violent Mexicans in stead of specifically violent Americans. Let's just say you felt that an American life was worth more than a Mexican, why not worry about the Americans getting killed by other American drivers first? Just being part of a group that has members that have or will be violent does not make you violent or guilty of their offenses. You guys are half way down the slippery slide with this debate and you likely won't even admit it. Why not just ask what law you can use next to get into other people's lives, regardless of the intent of the law. Anyone that is part of this debate should not be critical of politicians, as you are acting just like them.

Anyone around here really hurt by illegal aliens, anyone really that afraid of competing? Or are you just hating and pretending these folks are less important than American pets, because that is how many seem to talk about Mexicans that don't have their "papers".

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13 Apr 2013 07:57 #7 by FredHayek
So the illegals just need to get their driver's licenses in Oxaca and Jalisco instead of Denver's DMV? Would probably be cheaper and take less time.

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13 Apr 2013 08:42 #8 by gmule

on that note wrote: Given that just about anyone with any level of intelligence or driving skill can get a license if they are a US citizen over 16,17 and we have constant deaths all over the place....

You folks are talking about essentially restricting drivers licenses, ebracing the "show me your papers" type of society we traditionally took pride in not being, actually fought against, as a method to keep people of certain non-violent legal status down? Oh my goodness.

Again, the many states' drivers license programs are failed attempts at public safety allowing close to 50,000 deaths a year to slip by and you want to contort this system into a way to keep illegal aliens down in stead of focusing on it to reduce the 50,000 deaths a year?

Is this even sane? Is this the next thing our leaders need to discuss? Can anyone think of anything more important for them to do or eliminate as a next step for a strapped govt? Those on both sides of this issue are wrong, you don't use a hammer to feed your baby, it is not reasonable to use any level of control your govt has over people to contort the lives of non-violent Mexicans in stead of specifically violent Americans. Let's just say you felt that an American life was worth more than a Mexican, why not worry about the Americans getting killed by other American drivers first? Just being part of a group that has members that have or will be violent does not make you violent or guilty of their offenses. You guys are half way down the slippery slide with this debate and you likely won't even admit it. Why not just ask what law you can use next to get into other people's lives, regardless of the intent of the law. Anyone that is part of this debate should not be critical of politicians, as you are acting just like them.

Anyone around here really hurt by illegal aliens, anyone really that afraid of competing? Or are you just hating and pretending these folks are less important than American pets, because that is how many seem to talk about Mexicans that don't have their "papers".


People that are in this country LEGALLY have no problems getting a drivers license or insurance.
I could care less what jobs illegal immigrants do I highly doubt that they would be able to compete for my skill set in the job market.

Having been in an accident caused by an illegal immigrant I was harmed by a person who had no insurance coverage and was left to pay for damages out of pocket while the offender skipped off not paying for my damages.

Here is some more information on the cost of illegal immigrants if you care to read about it
http://www.cairco.org/issues/colorado-crime

When a person comes into this country legally a background checks are performed before a visa is issued. When a person jumps the fence no background check is done no health checks are performed so people infected with things like untreated tuberculous are out and about in the general public spreading diesease if you care to read the 2011 report on tb here is a link with all information provided by the state. Link

These are a couple of the reasons I am not supportive of people just hopping the fence to get here.
I support immigration reform to allow people a way to get here easier.
I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for others to understand Yet we are passing laws to legal citizens to exercise their constitutional rights.

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13 Apr 2013 09:29 #9 by Rick
What other country on the entire planet would even consider giving a drivers license to an American who illegally entered that country?

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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15 Apr 2013 07:07 #10 by gmule

Rick wrote: What other country on the entire planet would even consider giving a drivers license to an American who illegally entered that country?


Most would have you jailed and deported for it.

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