Gang of Eight Immigration Reform Plan Unveiled

I'm simply posting a summary. As more develops, I'll comment further, but feel free yourselves. Good day.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/136230105/Out ... ct-of-2013

Edit: So far, things looks good, and BOTH sides agree! :thumbsup:

That is a pretty good start.

1) Continued high unemployment. 7%+ (Real unemployment even higher)
2) Less adult Americans working at any time since 1979.
3) More long term unemployment than ever before. (People out of work for over six months.)
4) Wages stagnant or declining for over a decade.
5) Full time employment being replaced with part time due to Obamacare.

And we want to add millions of legal workers to the labor pool.
Brilliant!!!!!

FredHayek wrote: 1) Continued high unemployment. 7%+ (Real unemployment even higher)
2) Less adult Americans working at any time since 1979.
3) More long term unemployment than ever before. (People out of work for over six months.)
4) Wages stagnant or declining for over a decade.
5) Full time employment being replaced with part time due to Obamacare.

And we want to add millions of legal workers to the labor pool.
Brilliant!!!!!

There are 2 issues here. The people in this country illegally are most likely already working.
Most of the jobs they do are in the service industries or providing some sort of labor service such as landscaping, farm work etc.

The bigger problem is the jobs that are missing that require skilled labor.
A lot of those jobs are not being filled or are being moved offshore. Since there are so many people out of work and have been for a while they are willing to take the same job that they once had at a much lower rate just to become employed again. With this surplus of labor and people willing to make less for the same job they used to do it is going to drive wages down. This past year merit increases were less. Not because the companies are performing poorly but because people are now making more than the job would pay if you were to come in off the street. In other words labor is on sale.

I just read yesterday that someone did a study that said being currently unemployed for six months or more was a bigger detriment to being hired than not having experience. Decreasing the labor poll might make companies not as picky. Increasing the pool of legal workers will keep wages down.

Yes... It's a good start... And you've got the folks on your side that are being SOOOO helpful:

Louie Gohmert: Radical Islamists Being Trained To 'Act Like Hispanic' (VIDEO)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) warned Wednesday that "radical Islamists" are being "trained to act like Hispanic" and cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

"We know Al Qaeda has camps over with the drug cartels on the other side of the Mexican border," he said Wednesday on C-Span. "We know that people that are now being trained to come in and act like Hispanic [sic] when they are radical Islamists. We know these things are happening. It is just insane not to protect ourselves, to make sure that people come in as most people do ... They want the freedoms we have."

He compared the United States to Israel, and said that the nation might need a border fence in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. "Finally the Israeli people said, 'You know what? Enough.' They built a fence, and the rest is a wall to prevent snipers from knocking off their kids. They finally stopped the domestic violence from people that wanted to destroy them. I am concerned we might need to do that as well," he said, adding he didn't know whether the attack in Boston was domestic or foreign in origin.

Gohmert has previously asserted that pregnant women were coming to the U.S. to have babies to take advantage of birthright citizenship, where their infants would grow up to be terrorists.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 00254.html

The video is hysterical....

...And Priebus and the RNC spend $10 million to find out why the Republican Party is a joke to 70+% of the demographics besides "old, angry white guys"...?

LadyJazzer wrote: Yes... It's a good start... And you've the folks on your side that are being SOOOO helpful:

Louie Gohmert: Radical Islamists Being Trained To 'Act Like Hispanic' (VIDEO)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) warned Wednesday that "radical Islamists" are being "trained to act like Hispanic" and cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

"We know Al Qaeda has camps over with the drug cartels on the other side of the Mexican border," he said Wednesday on C-Span. "We know that people that are now being trained to come in and act like Hispanic [sic] when they are radical Islamists. We know these things are happening. It is just insane not to protect ourselves, to make sure that people come in as most people do ... They want the freedoms we have."

He compared the United States to Israel, and said that the nation might need a border fence in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. "Finally the Israeli people said, 'You know what? Enough.' They built a fence, and the rest is a wall to prevent snipers from knocking off their kids. They finally stopped the domestic violence from people that wanted to destroy them. I am concerned we might need to do that as well," he said, adding he didn't know whether the attack in Boston was domestic or foreign in origin.

Gohmert has previously asserted that pregnant women were coming to the U.S. to have babies to take advantage of birthright citizenship, where their infants would grow up to be terrorists.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 00254.html

The video is hysterical....

...And Priebus and the RNC spend $10 million to find out why the Republican Party is a joke to 70+% of the demographics besides "old, angry white guys"...?

Is an old angry white guy worse than an old angry white gal? What's the difference besides the physical parts?

Wow LJ, you've become the regular troll. Congrats.

FredHayek wrote: 1) Continued high unemployment. 7%+ (Real unemployment even higher)
2) Less adult Americans working at any time since 1979.
3) More long term unemployment than ever before. (People out of work for over six months.)
4) Wages stagnant or declining for over a decade.
5) Full time employment being replaced with part time due to Obamacare.

And we want to add millions of legal workers to the labor pool.
Brilliant!!!!!

How about a percentage of people that know nothing more than how to be a desk jockey? I bet it's high. A LOT of people were and are still being taught that they'll get a high paying office job. Hell, I know a guy that works for minimum wage at a gas station that has four years into gunsmithing and he's still screwed. Learning a good trade to work with your hands is becoming second best imo.
Yer also not going to get rid of "The Mexicans" man, they're here to stay, so we might as well come up with a plan (gee, both sides finally came to the table and agreed on something) to make 'em legal, or would you like the mayhem to stay the way it is? Companies will discriminate and do whatever the hell they want until they're dust in the wind. We gotta roll with the system or fight it and stay miserable. I have no sympathy for those that sit on their a$$ and say they're entitled to something more. I could be unemployed myself, but I grit my teeth and take what's at the bottom of the barrel, hoping someday it'll get better. Life's tough, so I've had enough with the large numbers sitting on their a$$es, and those that complain they don't make enough. Dude, make it enough, whether you need to work three jobs or whatever, no one likes a cry baby. Well, that covers the first four of your list, now for the last one: OBAMACARE. Until it's repealed, there again, gotta roll with the system. I HAVE coverage, so I don't need to worry about it. Those that don't that are legal citizens need to worry about it, but that's the way she goes bud. No sense in bit***** over spilt milk right? When we (I) get the chance to help repeal that garbage, believe me, I will. Until then, that's the way she goes. I work full time btw, and my employer has no intention of busting me down in hours. I was just reading yesterday about the upcoming changes at MY job. Legally employed people that are U.S citizens get to foot the higher costs of providing everyone but themselves with health coverage. It's called "progressive" for a reason Fred. Spreading around our money for the greater good because, well you know, you should give a sh** about the rest of our race because that's the "right thing to do." Blah blah blah. Sounds like sheep in a herd any more, but you and I already knew that. Of course a true "progressive" will make a long and tired argument why that type of healthcare is great, but I'm too tired of it. I despise the idea as much as the next guy, but I won't agree that EVERY employer is busting people's hours because of it either. Sorry man. Anyway, I'm done for a minute.

What I want is a plan which allows them to become legal migrant workers and precludes any hope of them ever becoming citizens as a consequence for violating the sovereignty of the Union. In addition, they would be precluded from getting tax breaks for their support of related minors who are not also residing in the Union. I think any migrant worker should be paying a flat tax on their income. Set it where ever you wish, 5%, 10%, 15%, it really doesn't matter, but they would not receive the tax deductions and exemptions which are offered to citizens of the States - it would be a true flat tax on their income.

That's a good place to start from my particular POV.

PrintSmith wrote: [bluebox=:74d0h6v4]What I want is a plan which allows them to become legal migrant workers and precludes any hope of them ever becoming citizens as a consequence for violating the sovereignty of the Union.[/bluebox:74d0h6v4]
-Although I agree, I feel as though we need to work more progressively on this. There's no way we'll win that one PS, but that's jmo. They don't want to stay in their home country cause it's broken. Only option would be to work with overhauling their government like we're doing in Iraq or something, but I thought we've tried working to do that with Mexico for a long time now. Anyways, just my thoughts.

[bluebox=:74d0h6v4]In addition, they would be precluded from getting tax breaks for their support of related minors who are not also residing in the Union.[/bluebox:74d0h6v4]
-Without the above being instated on "the bill" I totally agree with this statement, even if those minors came here.

[bluebox=:74d0h6v4]I think any migrant worker should be paying a flat tax on their income. Set it where ever you wish, 5%, 10%, 15%, it really doesn't matter, but they would not receive the tax deductions and exemptions which are offered to citizens of the States - it would be a true flat tax on their income.[/bluebox:74d0h6v4]
-Like I said man, we gotta start doing something to incorporate these people, they're not going anywhere. They WANT to be here. Once they're on the road to citizenship, I feel they should pay the same rates as the rest of us, no problem there. Our taxes are high enough, they'll feel the impact. As far as deductions and exemptions, I agree with you, at least for a looooong time. Say, fifteen years or so, as "punishment."

[bluebox=:74d0h6v4]That's a good place to start from my particular POV.[/bluebox:74d0h6v4]

Great input Sir. IT'S GREAT to have you around! We can be rest assured amendments WILL be made sooner or later.