Two-year-old Caroline Sparks killed by five-year-old brother

What's the problem with holding ALL the responsible parties responsible? Once again, ideology trumps common sense.

chickaree wrote: What's the problem with holding ALL the responsible parties responsible? Once again, ideology trumps common sense.

So if a underage kid jumps into your Mustang that you left the keys in unlocked and crashes, leaving her paralyzed for life, you think that you, the dealer and Ford should all be held responsible?

chickaree wrote: What's the problem with holding ALL the responsible parties responsible? Once again, ideology trumps common sense.

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Would you blame KIA if little Billy got behind the wheel and backed over his sister in the driveway?
"Mommy I just wanted to drive like those cute hamsters in the commercial"
Or would you blame the mother for leaving her car running unattended with kids running around? Manufacturers can not be responsible for bad parents.

Damn you Fred, you beat me to it.

False examples. Would you package bleach so it looks like juice? Make hair dryers look like rubber ducks? Don't deliberately make dangerous things look tantalizing to children. But, by all means, go on and defend Crickett. We know that is the rsponsibility of all Republicans, jist as all Democrats must absolve the parents. As I said, when ideology enters the room, common sense flies out the window. I lose all respect for people when they fall for this foolishness. Either everyone should be responsible for their decisions, or no one should be.

All the parties? The Mom and Dad are alone in responsibility. I don't care who the gun is marketed for, or what color it is. A firearm is a firearm and needs to be treated carefully. Kids who use firearms (and yes, I think they should be familiar with them and trained on ther safe use) should be monitored at all times. There's nothing wrong with a 5 year old owning and learning how to use a .22, but there is something seriously wrong with a parent that would leave that 5 year old alone with his/her firearm.

chickaree wrote: False examples. Would you package bleach so it looks like juice?

How about milk?

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Would a parent that leaves a bleach bottle on the counter next to a milk jug be negligent? Yes. It's up to the parent to keep harmful things away from the kids, or to supervise their use.

chickaree wrote: False examples. Would you package bleach so it looks like juice? Make hair dryers look like rubber ducks? Don't deliberately make dangerous things look tantalizing to children. But, by all means, go on and defend Crickett. We know that is the rsponsibility of all Republicans, jist as all Democrats must absolve the parents. As I said, when ideology enters the room, common sense flies out the window. I lose all respect for people when they fall for this foolishness. Either everyone should be responsible for their decisions, or no one should be.

False logic. Would this tragic story be any different if the parents bought a gun for their kid off craigslist that was just a normal looking black gun? Do you know that these parents wouldn't have bought any gun unless they found one that was advertised towards kids? Would a normal looking black gun be any less dangerous?

Growing up, my father had multiple rifles in the house. They were put in one of two places...on the antlers on a wall in the living room (about 8 or 9 feet up) or in the hall closet near his bedroom.

Whenever they were used, they were cleaned immediately and put away and us children (there were three of us then) were not allowed to get them or really touch them unless my dad handed them to us.

This rule in our house was inviolable...we got our butts beat good if we didn't follow the rules. The ammo was never kept in the same location as the weapons...

One time we were out in the forest where my dad was digging trees. My brother had been given a BB gun for Christmas and he was firing it. My dad told him repeatedly to go away from where the people were to fire it in the opposite direction of where there were people. Well, he was messing around with it and fired it at the ground...the BB hit a rock, richocheted off it and hit me. I was startled and let out a cry. My dad went ballistic, grabbed the gun, bent it in half over his knee and threw it a country mile. To this day, my brother blames me for being overly sensitive about a BB hitting me...that I could have ignored it and not made a sound.

What my brother doesn't get after 30 or more years is that is wasn't the BB hitting me that got his gun destroyed...it was the fact that he was firing it around people that got it destroyed. He learned that lesson and taught both his son and mine not to fire any weapon around people.

I have pellet guns at the house that my kids are allowed to use - under my direct supervision, and only under my direct supervision. They are learning the safety rules for anything that fires a projectile, and that there are varying degrees of danger based on the velocity and composition of the projectile. They know that if in doubt, assume it can kill. They know the safety rules, and if they don't obey them, they loose the priviledge.

Blaming the manufacturer is an insult to the intelligence of the general public.

chickaree wrote: False examples. Would you package bleach so it looks like juice? Make hair dryers look like rubber ducks? Don't deliberately make dangerous things look tantalizing to children. But, by all means, go on and defend Crickett. We know that is the rsponsibility of all Republicans, jist as all Democrats must absolve the parents. As I said, when ideology enters the room, common sense flies out the window. I lose all respect for people when they fall for this foolishness. Either everyone should be responsible for their decisions, or no one should be.

So if it would have been a black stocked rifle, Crickett would be absolved? Pretzel logic right there. What is to say what kids are attracted to? Personally I never liked the stainless guns prefer the more traditional blued.