chickaree wrote: Those are not aimed at 5 year olds and you know it.
You are being quite "picky" in order to prop up your argument. You would argue that they were invalid if it were proven that they were aimed toward 6 year olds and not 5 year olds. Surely liberals are honest enough to stand down whenever their arguments for product liability are proven to be weak.
chickaree wrote: Those are not aimed at 5 year olds and you know it.
You are being quite "picky" in order to prop up your argument. You would argue that they were invalid if it were proven that they were aimed toward 6 year olds and not 5 year olds. Surely liberals are honest enough to stand down whenever their arguments for product liability are proven to be weak.
Chickaree's argument is valid......yours is not. What's interesting is that chickaree is a conservative....
She may hide behind the profession of being a conservative, but her posts reveal her passion.
Liberals want 'precedent', ANY precedent. Then they expand into areas that they previously held as absurd. First, have product liability for products advertised to glean the mighty purchasing power of the 5 year olds, but will eventually/incrementally end with product liability for all products produced, no matter the purchasing age of the consumer.
Arlen wrote: Liberals want 'precedent', ANY precedent. Then they expand into areas that they previously held as absurd.
And conservatives do exact same thing. Just look at the abortion opponents who keep pushing for passing "personhood amendments" knowing that it would establish legal precedent to then take down Roe vs Wade.
The point is, there are laws already in place that prohibit the marketing of certain items to kids - take cigarettes for example. They had to pass those stupid laws because tobacco companies wouldn't do the right thing and end those marketing campaigns. It is absolutely wrong, morally and ethically, to market a product directly to children that is known to cause harm, especially one that they don't even have the right to even purchase on their own. Kids don't have the capacity to understand that the item they see on the shiny fun commercial is not safe for them, they just want it.
Now, do guns and cereal fall into that category? No, not really. They both have the potential to be harmful, but aren't automatically if they have responsible parents who lock the guns and ammunition up properly, supervise their children when they are using them, and teach them that a gun is to be respected and used responsibly. With cereal, it's harmful when parents only let them have the sugary sweet, lacking-in-nutritional-value crap all the time and don't enforce regular exercise to burn off the excess calories that they are allowing them to take in. I would rather see increased education and awareness so parents make the responsible choices, and you're damn right I'd like to see swift and unapologetic punishments whose irresponsible actions cause harm to their child(ren) - because they are responsible for their actions and there needs to be accountability or everyone will get away with murder.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
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Arlen wrote: Liberals want 'precedent', ANY precedent. Then they expand into areas that they previously held as absurd.
And conservatives do exact same thing. Just look at the abortion opponents who keep pushing for passing "personhood amendments" knowing that it would establish legal precedent to then take down Roe vs Wade.
The point is, there are laws already in place that prohibit the marketing of certain items to kids - take cigarettes for example. They had to pass those stupid laws because tobacco companies wouldn't do the right thing and end those marketing campaigns. It is absolutely wrong, morally and ethically, to market a product directly to children that is known to cause harm, especially one that they don't even have the right to even purchase on their own. Kids don't have the capacity to understand that the item they see on the shiny fun commercial is not safe for them, they just want it.
Now, do guns and cereal fall into that category? No, not really. They both have the potential to be harmful, but aren't automatically if they have responsible parents who lock the guns and ammunition up properly, supervise their children when they are using them, and teach them that a gun is to be respected and used responsibly. With cereal, it's harmful when parents only let them have the sugary sweet, lacking-in-nutritional-value crap all the time and don't enforce regular exercise to burn off the excess calories that they are allowing them to take in. I would rather see increased education and awareness so parents make the responsible choices, and you're damn right I'd like to see swift and unapologetic punishments whose irresponsible actions cause harm to their child(ren) - because they are responsible for their actions and there needs to be accountability or everyone will get away with murder.
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Then you just condemned millions of poor families in this country who can't afford high priced, healthy food... who don't have the time to properly prepare meals because they are working more than one job, or it's a single parent household. How about families who have to live in depressed neighborhoods and subject their children to gang violence and gun battles every day? Should they be held accountable?
I have no problem with demanding that parents properly keep dangerous items (like guns) locked away from their children... but you start extrapolating out that concept the way you do... and the next thing you know... you have a nanny government taking care of everything... or in the least... a Bloomberg.
Like the way you feel you have to cast anyone who disagrees with you as a liberal, Arlen. It shows how bigoted and small minded you are. Marketing dangerous tools as toys for children is pure stupidity in my opinion. I sincerely hope that the gun manufacturer stops making these guns for children look so toylike, or at least add additional safety features.
Crickett’s Facebook page has disappeared, And now the Crickett website has disappeared too. And every other link to the Crickett website serves up the dreaded "404 Not Found."
Crickett, Keystone (the parent company) and the NRA know that if you pull down your Facebook page — standard practice for the NRA after any mass shooting — and you hide for a few days, a week or so, people move on, they forget, and then it’s just back to business as usual. Business as usual in this case is making guns for children and marketing them to children.
Amazing that we can ban cigarette manufacturers from marketing to kids but not gun manufacturers.
You would think for a few extra bucks they could integrate some sort of recessed trigger-lock mechanism into the stock with a special key for the parents, so the weapon could be locked until it was under parental supervision. A few extra bucks to the production costs?...Nah... "Stuff happens", and the company is shielded from liability, so what the heck... Wouldn't want to interfere with profits.
LadyJazzer wrote: Crickett’s Facebook page has disappeared, And now the Crickett website has disappeared too. And every other link to the Crickett website serves up the dreaded "404 Not Found."
Crickett, Keystone (the parent company) and the NRA know that if you pull down your Facebook page — standard practice for the NRA after any mass shooting — and you hide for a few days, a week or so, people move on, they forget, and then it’s just back to business as usual. Business as usual in this case is making guns for children and marketing them to children.
Amazing that we can ban cigarette manufacturers from marketing to kids but not gun manufacturers.
You would think for a few extra bucks they could integrate some sort of recessed trigger-lock mechanism into the stock with a special key for the parents, so the weapon could be locked until it was under parental supervision. A few extra bucks to the production costs?...Nah... "Stuff happens", and the company is shielded from liability, so what the heck... Wouldn't want to interfere with profits.
If you were gigging at a nightclub and there was a fire that killed numerous people including children... would you want to be held partially responsible and part of a lawsuit because a family who lost their child claim they were at the club because they wanted to hear YOU play?
The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Then you just condemned millions of poor families in this country who can't afford high priced, healthy food... who don't have the time to properly prepare meals because they are working more than one job, or it's a single parent household.
Oatmeal is cheaper than cereal, far healthier than cereal, and easy to make for most kids once they learn how.
"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln
LadyJazzer wrote: You would think for a few extra bucks they could integrate some sort of recessed trigger-lock mechanism into the stock with a special key for the parents, so the weapon could be locked until it was under parental supervision.
That is an awesome idea, and I'd pay a few extra bucks for a firearm for my kid that had that feature.
But I don't think it should be mandated by the government.
"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln