Justice Department & AP Phone Records?

Something the Dog Said wrote:

FredHayek wrote: For me personally, spying on the AP is the biggest crime of the three scnadals. And now they say more reporters from other agencies are coming forward.

It used to be the DOJ was to guard against police over reach, but now they are the ones overreaching.

And now it comes out that it wasn't only AP phones, but also e-mails of certain reporters.

What crime was committed? What laws were broken?

Really? You are fine with your administration doing this to the press? Would you be fine if it had been "W" doing this to CBS & AP? :faint:
Good to know you support Big Brother.

Yes we can!
1) Take away the 1st Amendment for trivial reasons. Wiretap not only reporters but also their family members.
2) Intimidate non-profit organizations for partisan reasons.

FredHayek wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

FredHayek wrote: For me personally, spying on the AP is the biggest crime of the three scnadals. And now they say more reporters from other agencies are coming forward.

It used to be the DOJ was to guard against police over reach, but now they are the ones overreaching.

And now it comes out that it wasn't only AP phones, but also e-mails of certain reporters.

What crime was committed? What laws were broken?

Really? You are fine with your administration doing this to the press? Would you be fine if it had been "W" doing this to CBS & AP? :faint:
Good to know you support Big Brother.

Yes we can!
1) Take away the 1st Amendment for trivial reasons. Wiretap not only reporters but also their family members.
2) Intimidate non-profit organizations for partisan reasons.

You stated that a crime had been committed by the DOJ, and I requested information as to what crime and what laws have been broken.
In UNITED STATES v. MILLER, 425 U.S. 435 (1976), the Supreme Court held that third party records are not protected under the Constitution. Congress has refused to enact any laws that prohibit the DOJ from subpoenaing such third party records from telephone carriers, although they have had the opportunity to do so. Thus, the DOJ did not commit any crime. If you choose to be "outraged", do so at Congress for not enacting such laws.

I was not aware that the DOJ was "intimidating" non-profit organizations for political reasons. Can you provide any factual basis for your claims?

Or are you simply trolling once again?

On Mike Rosen today KOA a woman who owned a machine shop in Texas applied to get 501c status for two organizations had the IRS not only audit the business and personal tax returns the IRS also had the ATF and OSHA investigate the home and machine shop. Happy to know that you like a government that practices such tactics. While perfectly legal it certainly sounds like intimidation to me. And I didn't state a crime was commited.

FredHayek wrote: On Mike Rosen today KOA a woman who owned a machine shop in Texas applied to get 501c status for two organizations had the IRS not only audit the business and personal tax returns the IRS also had the ATF and OSHA investigate the home and machine shop. Happy to know that you like a government that practices such tactics. While perfectly legal it certainly sounds like intimidation to me. And I didn't state a crime was commited.

Well if some anonymous individual calls from Texas into a local Denver right wing radio talk show claims that this happened, then it must be true. Right.

When did the IRS become part of the DOJ? And now you claim that the IRS also controls the ATF and OSHA. Wow!

FredHayek wrote: For me personally, spying on the AP is the biggest crime of the three scnadals. And now they say more reporters from other agencies are coming forward.

It used to be the DOJ was to guard against police over reach, but now they are the ones overreaching.

And now it comes out that it wasn't only AP phones, but also e-mails of certain reporters.

Hmm, according to your own post, you claimed a crime has been committed.

FredHayek wrote: On Mike Rosen today KOA a woman who owned a machine shop in Texas applied to get 501c status for two organizations had the IRS not only audit the business and personal tax returns the IRS also had the ATF and OSHA investigate the home and machine shop. Happy to know that you like a government that practices such tactics. While perfectly legal it certainly sounds like intimidation to me. And I didn't state a crime was commited.

Don't worry Fred. After a republican wins the White House in '16 every liberal will treat this type of behavior as intolerable and deficit spending will matter again.

Blazer Bob wrote:

FredHayek wrote: On Mike Rosen today KOA a woman who owned a machine shop in Texas applied to get 501c status for two organizations had the IRS not only audit the business and personal tax returns the IRS also had the ATF and OSHA investigate the home and machine shop. Happy to know that you like a government that practices such tactics. While perfectly legal it certainly sounds like intimidation to me. And I didn't state a crime was commited.

Don't worry Fred. After a republican wins the White House in '16 every liberal will treat this type of behavior as intolerable and deficit spending will matter again.

You mean like under Reagan and Bush/Cheney? And every other Republican president in the past 60 years.

"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due."
Dick Cheney to Paul O'Neill, then Treasury Secretary

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/ ... 2330.shtml

So Dog, do you have a problem with Holder lying about targetting James Rosen? You must have missed that thread huh?

I am unaware of any evidence that Atty Gen. Holder lied about targeting James Rosen. Atty Gen. Holder did state that he was unaware of any potential prosecution of the press, but he did not make any remarks about investigating leaks being made to James Rosen. He obviously was aware of the subpoena of the phone records of Mr. Rosen, but according to the subpoena, that was to determine who was leaking classified information from the State Dept that threatened national security. Defending the national security of this country is part of his job description.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

Blazer Bob wrote:

FredHayek wrote: On Mike Rosen today KOA a woman who owned a machine shop in Texas applied to get 501c status for two organizations had the IRS not only audit the business and personal tax returns the IRS also had the ATF and OSHA investigate the home and machine shop. Happy to know that you like a government that practices such tactics. While perfectly legal it certainly sounds like intimidation to me. And I didn't state a crime was commited.

Don't worry Fred. After a republican wins the White House in '16 every liberal will treat this type of behavior as intolerable and deficit spending will matter again.

You mean like under Reagan and Bush/Cheney? And every other Republican president in the past 60 years.

"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due."
Dick Cheney to Paul O'Neill, then Treasury Secretary

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/ ... 2330.shtml

So you admit you are just as big a hypocrite as those evil republicans. :rofllol

Something the Dog Said wrote: I am unaware of any evidence that Atty Gen. Holder lied about targeting James Rosen. Atty Gen. Holder did state that he was unaware of any potential prosecution of the press, but he did not make any remarks about investigating leaks being made to James Rosen. He obviously was aware of the subpoena of the phone records of Mr. Rosen, but according to the subpoena, that was to determine who was leaking classified information from the State Dept that threatened national security. Defending the national security of this country is part of his job description.

I'll bet he's gone within 6 months.