Conifer Gentelman Tasered by JEFFCO Deputies---DOA

Here from DP is some info.....but realize it is from Jeffco Sheriff......who KILLED the man....so it must be examined by independent investigators - Quote: "The sheriff's office was called about 6:49 a.m. Sundayto 30438 Sunset Trail, Conifer, on a report of a man, "who appeared to be on drugs...making suicidal threats," according to the sheriff's office.

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"Appeared" is not fact based........await a third party review.........again a pellet gun is not a lethal weapon, was on his own property....Jazz why are you so quick to believe police reports (CO HP leader was forced into retirement this year , Arapaho Sherrif was imprisoned for crack and kids, DPD is under federal court review.........)....OH....Holder the Chief DA is probably going to leave because of criminal activity........we are all a bit suspicious as we shouyld be.....founders knew this and we still have our constitution (at lease did this am). For some reason your perspective is a bit distorted.....

Why are you so quick to start using words like "KILLED" and "UNARMED" when you don't know the facts either..??

I'll believe Law Enforcement sooner than I will your conspiracy theories. I'll let the usual gun-nuts froth at the mouth, and then we'll get the facts.

Only one other incident....last year a CO HP trooper and the entire HP lost a wrongful death suit that arose from the KILLING of a young man in his living room suspected of being drunk (not disorderly) ....he was unarmed and was with friends just hanging out.......the cost to all us us was in the millions.....and a young man has no life. We should look closely at all sides of these issues and not swallow the police info.

Gipper: "Trust but verify".....

You should heed your own advice.

deltamrey wrote: Hey.....nobody.....where did you get your info......drugs, suicidal......man is DEAD by local police and unarmed........you brought this up.......do you have non- cop input ?? They killed him....so their info must be questioned. Is Mink directly involved in the issue ? IS DA directly involved ?? We got a BIG problem here. IF we do not get a lot more the problem is really BIG.
IF the CH 7 initial info is accurate WE HAVE A UNARMED MAN ON HIS OWN PROPERTY KILLED BY DEPUTIE(S)......THAT IS A START.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/06/02/man-dies-while-being-taken-into-custody-in-conifer/

Drop your torch and pitchfork. Nobody but you is going to blame a LEO for using a taser rather than attempting to physically restrain a suicidal person altered by drugs that refuses to cooperate. Nobody has said the taser caused the death - it could have been an overdose as well.

They didn't kill him, and you're being a paranoid alarmist.

"appeared to be" is diplomatic lingo - used by officials in this case to give the "victim" the benefit of the doubt (a generous gesture given the accusations being hurled at them).

LadyJazzer wrote: 1) No they didn't "kill" him; they hit him with NON-LETHAL force, and he died.

Which means that it was obviously lethal force that they hit him with, not non-lethal force. The term you are looking for here is less lethal, which is the term used for a taser. Less lethal rounds also include the infamous rubber bullet, pepper rounds and bean bags, all of which are capable of killing, but less likely to cause death than the standard round is.

PrintSmith wrote: Which means that it was obviously lethal force that they hit him with, not non-lethal force. The term you are looking for here is less lethal, which is the term used for a taser.

I'll agree with the term 'less lethal' because it is more accurate, but in this case they still haven't said that the jolt killed him or if it was something else. According to reports he stopped breathing. I was under the impression that if the Taser caused problems it would likely be in the heart.

A taser is capable of interfering with any of the autonomous functions controlled by the brain. It essentially short circuits, or overloads the circuits for which there is no circuit breaker, through which electrical impulses travel in the body. It is designed and intended to cause paralysis of muscles and send strong pain signals to the brain, but, as with anything else, there can be unintended consequences in addition to the intended one, particularly when the body's normal functioning is compromised as a result of disease, illness or drugs. Alcohol, for instance, depresses not only heartrate and brain function, but respiration as well, as does many pain killers.

I don't necessarily disagree with the decision to use less lethal force instead of going hands on, but anytime you are dealing with someone whose functioning is known or thought to be compromised as a result of drug use, there is an elevated risk associtated with using a taser. A bean bag round, or pepper balls, might have been a better choice given the circumstances than the taser was, given the call went out as a a person suspected of being under the influence of drugs and suicidal, but perhaps the Jeffco deputies don't carry those with them in their patrol vehicles and the taser was the only less lethal option the deputy had.

When you look at the deaths associated with the use of the taser, what you will find is that nearly all of them occur in tandem with the dead person being drunk or high on durgs of some kind when they were tased. That means that the risk associated with the use of a taser is known to be higher in those cases, which should be one of the factors considered by the LEO before deciding to use the taser.

There should be considerations such as that taken, but if it comes down to it, I prefer that our law enforcement officers err on the side of their own safety - if a person is being belligerent and not following directions and could pose a danger to them to try to apprehend while they are fully functional, then that person needs to be incapacitated. I'm sure the officers didn't want him to die, it's just a sad, unfortunate situation, but not one in which I'd hold them accountable.