Which War Scares You More?

Having homosexual friends made me change my ideas about homosexual rights, years before Obama & Clinton "evolved", so it does matter.

And I had just as many issues with Clinton as I did with Obama, actually more, because Clinton knew how to get things done, Obama just whines.

FredHayek wrote: Yeah, I live in a white bread world with African American nieces and nephews & "white" Hispanic friends.
Over half the people I work with are African-American, Hispanic, and/or Asian.
And I have Jewish heritage.

THEN Fred....do YOU know what "the talk" means?.......I didn't until JENA SIX (do the research)
that was back in 2006 or 08.......

The TRULY telling event I witnessed was astounding in it's display of DIVISION....the towns
people of that city were on a stage (as many as could attend).....BLACKS on one side of
stage/WHITES on the opposite side.

The SAME event (Jena Six) was the topic of the discussion....the WHITES saw a 180 perspectivefrom the BLACKS....the whites could NOT wrap their mind around the debated issues (racism towards blacks)....BECAUSE their experience was totally different and they
had NOTHING to draw from.....it was an eye-opening program and provided a STARK under
standing of the LACK of understanding of what blacks' experience in their everyday lives.....

JENA SIX......pull the info from Google.....racism in a small town and the event that RIPPED
the town apart for many years.

I believe racism still exists, driving while black is real. But is it as bad as it ever was? I doubt it.
More minorities go to prison, don't live as long, etc. But if MLK came back today would he think we made gains?

Fred, you did NOT answer my question.....what is "the talk" since your immediate life includes
persons of color......?

I kept up on the Jena six story when it was happening, one of the reasons I say we still have racism.

homeagain wrote: Fred, you did NOT answer my question.....what is "the talk" since your immediate life includes
persons of color......?

AGAIN.....?

archer wrote: Rick, I think you and Fred have your heads firmly planted in the sand. homeagain is right, our society really is as racist as it ever was, only now, since it is politically incorrect to appear to be racist, it's harder to recognize. I hear from those on the right all the time that they don't dislike Obama because he is black.....they just don't like his policies.......right......Obama was attacked from the moment he was sworn in as president, we have seen some of the signs that the tea party have used in the past to depict the President, we have read the veiled attacks on his being "different" and not being a real American.....

Until you have lived as a black man/woman you will never see what they see in those of us who are white.......we cannot understand the hostility they feel more often than they should coming from those who think they are different, I would love to think that this country is moving forward in race relations, not just with African Americans but with Hispanics and other ethnicities.......but I truly believe we are not.......at least not in a very large segment of our white society.

Oh, and Fred....I do so love your "some of my family and best friends are black" comment......what is sad is that we even need statements like that today to show how un racist we are.......

You're trying to get into my mind again, and again, you failed. I never said racism has gotten better.. its gotten worse. My point is that you can't label people as racists just because they were unhappy with Obama getting elected. If Romney had gotten elected, 95% of blacks would be unhappy from day one but does that make them all racists? NO, it doesn't.


My point to this thread was mainly aimed at the people who give racial divison fuel... who look for the racists around every corner, who make it worse by changing facts to fit their hate rant. Young black men are NOT being hunted by white men noo matter how many times someone says it.

archer wrote: Rick, I think you and Fred have your heads firmly planted in the sand. homeagain is right, our society really is as racist as it ever was, only now, since it is politically incorrect to appear to be racist, it's harder to recognize. I hear from those on the right all the time that they don't dislike Obama because he is black.....they just don't like his policies.......right......Obama was attacked from the moment he was sworn in as president, we have seen some of the signs that the tea party have used in the past to depict the President, we have read the veiled attacks on his being "different" and not being a real American.....

Until you have lived as a black man/woman you will never see what they see in those of us who are white.......we cannot understand the hostility they feel more often than they should coming from those who think they are different, I would love to think that this country is moving forward in race relations, not just with African Americans but with Hispanics and other ethnicities.......but I truly believe we are not.......at least not in a very large segment of our white society.

Oh, and Fred....I do so love your "some of my family and best friends are black" comment......what is sad is that we even need statements like that today to show how un racist we are.......

Where have I said racism isn't bad today? Why is my head planted in the sand? The point of this thread was to give my opinion that the war of the races is getting worse and the race baters are making sure of it. And you know as well as I that if Rmney was elected, 95% of blacks would be unhappy, but like whites, that doesn't make them racists does it? Are you one of those people who think that being unhappy with Obama equates to not liking the color of his skin? His policies and his words are what I don't like, I could care less what color he is.

Rick wrote: His policies and his words are what I don't like, I could care less what color he is.

When his policies and words are perfect, his color can only be the thing you object to.

homeagain wrote: THEN Fred....do YOU know what "the talk" means?.......I didn't until JENA SIX (do the research)
that was back in 2006 or 08.......

Oh please, you hint at this as if were some big secret. It's not. My parents had that same talk with me when I was a teenager. All of us, at one point or another, are going to get stopped for no good reason by law enforcement, it isn't a "black" thing at all like you are trying to make it out to be.

And really home, was there no good reason for Zimmerman to think that Martin might be one of the young black males dressed in a black hoodie that had been stealing from his neighbors recently?

Also, young black men who are killed are killed by other black men 94% of the time, not by cops, not by white folks, not by the recently created white-hispanics, but by other black people. Black make up roughly 15% of the Union's population, yet they account for nearly 50% of homicides and, as mentioned earlier, there is a 94% chance that when they were killed they were killed by another black person. Those stats come from the federal DOJ and the FBI, just in case you were wondering.

So really home, all this talk of "the talk" is just more of the same from those who profit from keeping us racially divided. And yes, I mean the "liberals" and "progressives" when I say that. Remember the president talking to the hispanic group and telling them to "punish their enemies"? Now, you may consider such toxic rhetoric to be racially healing instead of racially dividing, but I certainly wouldn't classify it that way.

The facts of the matter are that most people don't care about the color of one's skin in this day and age unless someone else tries to make it an issue. Martin wasn't shot because he was black, he was shot because he made the fatal mistake of trying to bully someone with a licensed firearm, to teach that "crazy a**ed cracker" a lesson with his fists instead of acting like a member of a civilized society. Like it or not, that's why Martin died that night.