Stop-and-Frisk: How Government Creates Problems, Then Makes

Welfare is a HUGE issue. MOST people who receive welfare have no interest in getting off of it. Did you know that in CO you only need one person in the home working to get welfare? They don’t even make two parents try to find work. As long as one is working that is enough. That is total BS.

lostgurl303 wrote: Welfare is a HUGE issue.

:rofllol Have you ever considered changing your name to dumbgurl303?

Vice Lord wrote:

lostgurl303 wrote: Welfare is a HUGE issue.

:rofllol Have you ever considered changing your name to dumbgurl303?

:rofllol Like you are in a position to judge who is dumb :rofllol

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PrintSmith wrote:

Vice Lord wrote: All lies! and social security is not spending, its a trust fund- You fell for all the Right Wing accounting bullsh#t..Social Security, Medicade, Student Ad etc..etc..etc..Are NOT WALFARE! Everything spent here in America on "we the people" is not walfare...Were do you want our tax money spent anyway Rick? Money spent here in America for Americans shoul;d be close to 100% in my opinion

It is you who is telling lies VL. Social Security and Medicare are both part of the annual appropriation legislation passed by the national Congress as part of the annual federal budget. .

We are talking about WALFARE and social security and Medicare are not WALFARE. They are two wildly popular programs that I paid into every week for 30 years, and they are never going away.

PS, just where on on who should our Tax dollars be spent on? Who if not Americans?

Social Security and Medicare are individual welfare programs VL, that isn't even a question in the minds of anyone with an above room temperature IQ. For 30 years you have been paying an income tax to provide a welfare subsidy. Your paying for that subsidy for your parents and grandparents makes you eligible to recieve the tax dollars collected from your children and grandchildren when you become eligible to be subsidized by their income taxes and the excise taxes levied on their employers.

Popularity of the welfare subsidy programs is irrelevant to the fact that they are individual welfare subsidy programs that are an annual appropriation of tax dollars which is funded with an annual levying of a combination of an income tax on the workers and an excise tax on the employers. Those are simply facts VL. Not opinion, not parisan lies told to secure votes, but cold hard facts.

When one actually gets down to the brass tacks of what the programs really are, you of all people should be the first to recognize it for what it is given your work with unions. It is the purchasing of jobs held by older workers to make way for younger ones, a perpetual federal jobs program if you will. Older workers selling their jobs in exchange for a portion of the wages earned by the people who fill their old job. That's really what Social Security is, isn't it?

Listen...You can call it whatever you want but were not getting a tax break anytime soon, so where to money goes is the only thing thats debatable here- I think it should ALL come back to us instead of being looted by military/security programs and thier contractors. WE DON'T NEED THIS MUCH SECURITY


I travel in all kinds of circles and I don't no, nor have I ever known anyone on Walfare-( I guess I never lived in a red state) You birdbrains think its a HUGE problem because FOX News tells you its a HUGE problem. It's not, its around 1% of the federal budget

Rick wrote:

Vice Lord wrote:

lostgurl303 wrote: Welfare is a HUGE issue.

:rofllol Have you ever considered changing your name to dumbgurl303?

:rofllol Like you are in a position to judge who is dumb :rofllol

I think her crazy Viet Nam vet dad on disability told her that walfare was a HUGE problem...Thats what I think

#MoronAmerica

Vice Lord wrote: Listen...You can call it whatever you want but were not getting a tax break anytime soon, so where to money goes is the only thing thats debatable here- I think it should ALL come back to us instead of being looted by military/security programs and thier contractors. WE DON'T NEED THIS MUCH SECURITY

I travel in all kinds of circles and I don't no, nor have I ever known anyone on Walfare-( I guess I never lived in a red state) You birdbrains think its a HUGE problem because FOX News tells you its a HUGE problem. It's not, its around 1% of the federal budget

You just can't stop with the lies, can you. It's almost a pathological affliction with you. 53% of the federal budget in 2012 went to individual welfare programs. 22% to Social Security, 21% to Medicare, Medicaid and CHIP and 12% to other "Safety Net" programs. That's over half the federal budget VL, not 1% of it. Add in the 6% of the federal budget that went to paying the interest, not any of the principle mind you, but simply the interest, on the federal debt and you come up with nearly 60% of the federal budget. The federal tax revenues, all of them, including the income taxes and excise taxes collected to fund Social Security and Medicare, accounted for 65% of the amount the federal government actually spent. That means nearly every shiny Roosevelt fiat dime of taxes collected last year was spent on individual welfare programs and paying the interest on the national debt. Every other function of the federal government, what the federal budget calls "discretionary spending", you know, the functions of government that might actually be delegated powers in the Constitution, was funded by borrowing more currency, over $1 Trillion worth of it.

The income taxes and excise taxes you and your employers paid for the last 30 years went to provide individual welfare benefits to your parents and grandparents VL, none of if was used to provide funds for your individual welfare when you retire. Those individual welfare benefits will be paid by the taxes collected from your children and grandchildren and their employers. That's the way the system was set up from the get go. That's what's wrong with the system, that's what needs to "change" and be "fundamentally transformed". It is immoral to borrow money for your benefit that you expect others to pay back, which is precisely how our federal government is conducting itself right now, and has been for at least the last 50 years. It is borrrowing money to provide current taxpayers with benefits that it then expects future taxpayers, who received none of the benefits associated with the borrowed funds, to pay that borrowed money back. That mindset is simply unconscionable to anyone with a conscience.

Vice Lord wrote:

Rick wrote:

Vice Lord wrote:

lostgurl303 wrote: Welfare is a HUGE issue.

:rofllol Have you ever considered changing your name to dumbgurl303?

:rofllol Like you are in a position to judge who is dumb :rofllol

I think her crazy Viet Nam vet dad on disability told her that walfare was a HUGE problem...Thats what I think

#MoronAmerica

What's "walfare"? lol

This falls under you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

SS is either welfare or it is not.

1. It is welfare, you are old or disabled or something where you cannot buy the most basic needs of shelter and food. You get Social Security, you needed it to survive, your family is gone, your friends are gone and you need help, you are on welfare. Again, it is only welfare and needed if you have asked friends and family for assistance in your current desperate situation.

2. It is not welfare, you are old, disabled or not and you can afford the basics. You get Social Security and it is NOT welfare, but you are a money grubbing leach that used a loophole in a govt program to get money from other citizens when you were not in need. You try to justify it because you paid in, but you know the program was not a promise to those not in need, there are just a lot of old people donating to politicians to make sure that this check is not taken away from them, regardless of who is hurt (their grandchildren most likely) to make them pay it. But since most people only have a few grandchildren and there are millions of kids their grandchildrens' age, they don't feel like they are really taking from their own family, they think it is mostly other peoples' families, so it is justified.

For some social security is welfare, for those posting here taking a SS check, it is not welfare, it is a payout - they are a burden on society. Those that need welfare do not have the time or money to post on this site. And those in need certainly have less collective support because of the leaches that take public money when not in need. Those that collect SS when not in need and justify it because they paid in like it was a retirement program are working specifically against those in need, trying to get the money before those in need can get it.

Welfare in the US is means tested redistribution. I have no problem with a safety net or a minimum allowable standard of living What I do have a problem with is families who learn to live within the system and never take any step to get off the dole. It is not the money that bothers me about this. As the idiot says, much more is spent on defense than is necessary by a huge margin. It is the unnecessary extension of abject poverty into generations that I have a problem with. There is no need for this. I really think this money could be spent better - on education, apprenticeships, skills development, anything to give these folks a leg up.