Consequences?

13 Sep 2013 08:46 #1 by Rick
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I'm not going to rehash all the mistakes (I believe) were made in this Syria mess, but do think it's interesting that in 2013, a dictator can actually benefit from using chemical weapons during a civil war. And Assad's most stanch ally Putin, also gets a big boost in percieved power.

First Assad "has to go"! Then his chemical weapons "have to go!"

The problem is, it's going to be a near impossible task to get rid of those chemical weapons, let alone find them during a bloody civil war.

So what's the current strategy for the US at this point? What exactly can we do to help the situation without blowing it up even more? Right now Kerry is in the middle of trying to "negotiate" with Syria and Russia to remove the weapons. How exactly is that going to work out logistically? Seems to me that Assad just won a huge victory by gassing his own people. Instead of focusing on getting him out (original goal), now we're focusing on negotiating an even tougher task. What am I missing here?

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13 Sep 2013 08:55 #2 by UNDER MODERATION
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Do we still have "people" walking around thinking that America enters wars to help people? After all our history? Don't you remember people saying "He used chemical weapons on his own people!!!" as an excuse to go into Iraq? How many times do you idiots have to be buffaloed before you wake the F up!? Our government doesn't care about Americans so what makes you think we care about Syrians. It's NEVER about people, its always about resources /money

6 other countries that have either shown reluctance or refused to join the 1993 international Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), treaty-

Burma and Israel have signed but not ratified, while Angola, North Korea, Egypt, South Sudan and Syria have neither signed nor ratified.

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13 Sep 2013 08:57 #3 by FredHayek
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It has become a real quagmire and we don't even have any boots on the ground yet.

Right now America has no real reason to get involved other than to back up an earlier threat and to punish a bully who was using chemical weapons supposedly.

If we do bomb Syria, will they respond with chemical weapons attacks against Israel and possibly Turkey?
And launch shore based anti-ship missiles against US naval vessels?

I don't like the idea of appearing weak to Putin and Iran, but it might be the most prudent move.

VL: And i thought I was cynical. Does Obama like McCain have stock in cruise missile supplier Raytheon?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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13 Sep 2013 09:00 - 13 Sep 2013 11:43 #4 by UNDER MODERATION
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FredHayek wrote: If we do bomb Syria, will they respond with chemical weapons attacks against Israel and possibly Turkey?



Don't worry about Israel ok, those people can more than take care of themselves. I think they can blow up the entire planet 5 times over and I don't think they'd hesitate for a second to do it.

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13 Sep 2013 09:03 #5 by UNDER MODERATION
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FredHayek wrote: It has become a real quagmire and we don't even have any boots on the ground yet.



Do you know how many "real quagmires" there are around the world that you don't know about because our corporate media has no interest in telling you? Because they have no finacial interest there? A month ago most of you couldnt find Syria on a map now your all marching around spouting your strong opinions on it like you know something

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13 Sep 2013 09:21 #6 by FredHayek
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Vice Lord wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If we do bomb Syria, will they respond with chemical weapons attacks against Israel and possibly Turkey?



Don't worry about Israel ok, those mongaloids can more than take care of themselves. I think they can blow up the entire planet 5 times over and I don't think they'd hesitate for a second to do it.

#StupidReligions

That is why I worry about Israel. If Israel does respond to Syrian chemical attacks, will that bring in other Arab countries or Iran?

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13 Sep 2013 09:25 #7 by homeagain
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To FULLY understand what VL is conveying......Read CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN
BY JOHN PERKINS.....TRUE story,true facts and it will scary the shit out of you,because it is
still going on and we are NOW reaping the CONSEQUENCES of our actions (to answer your
topic....in spades.)NOT just my opinion.

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13 Sep 2013 11:47 #8 by UNDER MODERATION
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homeagain wrote: To FULLY understand what VL is conveying......Read CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN
BY JOHN PERKINS.....TRUE story,true facts and it will scary the sh** out of you,because it is
still going on and we are NOW reaping the CONSEQUENCES of our actions (to answer your
topic....in spades.)NOT just my opinion.


That was a great book..I read it in one afternooon at the beach a long time ago- We are Vampires, as soon as we sense a weakness in a country we swoop in, take over and clean them out assuring generations of misery and opression to the people of that country. And Rick is going on about how we gotta get those terrible weapons out of Syria's hands to protect the people there!

Ridiculous

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13 Sep 2013 11:55 #9 by FredHayek
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Really? Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty in both China and India in the past 20 years, why haven't we swooped in and ruined their lives? You are fighting the battles of the past. In fact, I think China has been beating up the US if you ask me. Their income levels are rising, ours are stagnant. Their economy is about to pass ours. But carry on 60's hippies in your quest to save the world from America.

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13 Sep 2013 11:57 #10 by Rick
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Vice Lord wrote: . And Rick is going on about how we gotta get those terrible weapons out of Syria's hands to protect the people there!

Nowhere did I say that (try again)... I just explained that is Obama's new goal. And you can't just load them up in trucks or planes... they have to be destroyer there... hardly feasible. But that won't stop this administration from imagining they can accomplish it.

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