Another soldier goes nuts with a gun

When I was in Kodiak, my buddy who is a Coast Guard pilot drove 6 of us into the base to give us a drive through tour. Just showed his credentials and we went right in. But to frisk every person that enters would result in very long lines and not be feasable.

But I agree with Walter, this was just another mental defective who could have picked any other soft target that didn't allow for self defense.

This is what happens when you try to reprogram young impressionable minds to mindlessly kill other human beings...They don't always kill thre right ones

#blameourselves

Big Dougy wrote: This is what happens when you try to reprogram young impressionable minds to mindlessly kill other human beings...They don't always kill thre right ones

#blameourselves

Dude? He was an electrician not an 11Bravo. And I didn't see him trying to electrocute the base.

The mass murders in CT, Aurora, and Colombine were conducted by the demented civilian culture that spawns many murderers daily.....the military is very benign in comparison...

Im baaaack wrote: FOR DISCUSSION: Mark Levin asked a prescient question tonight on his show:
Why do we equip and train our military to use our weaponry, yet only trust them with it in some other place than their base?
What is the danger in having military men (*& women) armed on a base? If you think your men/*women are dangerous, why would you train them on the best weaponry there is?
That's a good question and it would be good to hear your thoughts on this.
Ahhh...because it's politically incorrect???
*women added by IB.

Depending on the military individual's job, some do carry a weapon on base. Personal weapons are not allowed to be stored on base (like in base housing or at a place of work) and must be registered and stored at the base armory--on AF bases--I'm not sure how the Navy or Army handle personal weapon storage. Members that wish to utilize their personal weapon for target practice or hunting must check it out from the armory and return it at the earliest possible time after use.

Members that keep weapons in their off-base abode, of course, do not have these restrictions; however, they can bring them on and off-base. There are rules...like the weapon must be unloaded during transport and the ammo must be in a different location away from the weapon and the weapon must be visible when going through the base checkpoints (otherwise it is considered a concealed weapon).

Every government owned firearm is issued to the individual carrying it, either at the beginning of their shift, such as for military policemen, or at the beginning of a mission, such as for aircraft pilots...and the records of these are kept and watched closely.

While each and every single Airman has to be familiar with the weapon and has to qualify every 12 months on either a pistol or a rifle, most Airman only come into contact with a weapon that one time a year when they qualify on it.

AF personnel that carry weapons on a regular basis are watched closely...if any are going through personal problems such as divorce or financial problems, just to name a couple, then their certification to carry a weapon is temporarily taken away until the problems are worked out.

I'd say that having military men and women armed on base is safer than having them armed off-base...but I'm a little jaded. Once the person on-base shows any signs of aggression, they can be locked on the base and searched for...and believe me, when the military police and dogs start a search, they don't quit until someone is caught and in jail or dead.

Most of the time signs of mental health do not materialize until well after the person has been trained in use of the weapon...once they are determined to not be fit for military service, the discharge could take anywhere from 1 to 12 months (depending on a whole lot of things) and still doesn't preclude them coming back "to get" the person they believe was the reason for their discharge.

Lastly, it isn't just guns that disgruntled former military persons use...one former Airman sent a bomb to the person he believed was responsible for his discharge and blew her hands off!

FredHayek wrote: Veterans chime in please. It appears the shooter got a general discharge and have a record of insubordination and other discipline problems. I thought a general discharge was pretty bad news and make it unlikley that they would hire you for the reserves or as a contractor? Was I wrong about this?

A General Discharge is really a misnomer. The discharges are: Honorable; General under Honorable Conditions; Other than Honorable; Bad Conduct; and Dishonorable...also Entry Level and Clemency. A General under Honorable Conditions is usually used when someone's performance is satisfactory but marred by minor misconduct issues or can be used for a medical discharge. I would presume--and this is just a guess--that this guy served all of his contracted time, but wasn't the model sailor and when it came time for him to re-enlist the Navy told him to go pound sand. General discharges are a dime a dozen. And since this is how someone who is medically discharged is categorized, being re-hired for the reserves or as a contractor is no big deal and happens frequently. FYI: Most contractors do not vet a new hire like the military or DoD does...mental health issues are not even asked about. So if a person is discharged from the military for mental health problems, it is categorized as a medical discharge and not asked about.

An Other than Honorable discharge is someone who has had a history of problems and opts for a discharge versus a court martial or an Article 15. These guys are usually "asked" to leave before their contract is up. Never seen an Other than Honorable discharge hurt an individual job-wise once they got out.

Keep in mind that the individual's military medical records, just like a civilian's medical records, fall under the privacy act and are not released.

Seems he was given a GENERAL discharge under honorable conditions.....NOT an Honorable Discharge. When a looser is tossed in boot camp this is what he/she gets. Many benefits accordingly are not extended.
Knowing his rating and being a reserve it is doubtful he had any significant weapons training FYI. His training was focused on the tech of his rating (in the grunt forces a MOS)...a look at his service record would tell much more (or less).

The "story" about being at ground zero 911 seems at this point to be without merit....a lot of NYC locals tried to ride this puppy to free benefits.....there or not. So far seems he had no service related disability and am surprised VA gave him the time of day. On the surface it seems he had emotional issues not service related and was an BS artist.....lots around I find. Hopefully the mass media will get it out.....but doubtful.

deltamrey wrote: The mass murders in CT, Aurora, and Colombine were conducted by the demented civilian culture that spawns many murderers daily.....the military is very benign in comparison...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

They're only purpose is to kill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaX-pvae4gw

Walter L Newton wrote: Hehe "Another soldier goes nuts with a gun"

Not a soldier... a civilian contractor.

Stick to sports Dougy.

#WhatAGayName#

I think somebody owes somebody an apology?


CNN International ‎- 8 hours ago
The gunman was identified as 34-year-old Aaron Alexis, a Navy reservist


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1 day ago - Aaron Alexis: The Man Behind the Washington Navy Yard Shooting. Alexis, 34, joined the Navy as a reservist in 2007 and got his rank in 2009.


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Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis, Navy reservist from NYC, killed 12 ...


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The suspected gunman was identified by the FBI as Aaron Alexis, ... According to a bio released by the U.S. Navy, Alexis was a full-time reservist from 2007 to ...

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2 hours ago - Alexis Spent Nearly Four Years as a Navy Reservist (source: Military)

Soldier by definition is a ground pounder, not Navy. The guns he probably trained with are big and attached to the ships, not so much small arms. However he was into violent video games, maybe more important for the mentally ill than other training, but this would require Odumbo and crew to actually look at something other than guns as an issue. So for your apology, hold your breath, in fact put a plastic bag over your head (no cheating) and wait for it.