Time To Decentralize?

15 Oct 2013 07:52 #1 by FredHayek
Since the states and parties are becoming more polarized, is it time to decentralize the country and reduce the power of the federal government?

The Feds could still collect taxes, but instead of deciding how to spend it, they would give most of it back to the states to spend as they saw fit. Certain bureaus would be outsourced to the states like the Department of Education.

And if the voters of that state wanted a nanny type of government, they would vote one in. And if other states wanted more freedom, they would reduce the powers of government.

This is becoming more popular in certain regions of Europe where some states steal back control from the central government. More autonomy.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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15 Oct 2013 08:07 #2 by Rick
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:rofllol Good luck with that one Fred. The central government makes the rules, decide how much they pay themselves, and decide how much power they get to have over the states and the people. Niether side has a desire to reduce the amount of power they enjoy (except maybe Tea Party types)

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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15 Oct 2013 08:13 #3 by FredHayek
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Autonomous districts are becoming more popular in Europe, but that might be due to the Euro zone. As the national goverments give up control to Brussels, their own states are able to wrest power from the nation-state. In essence, the autonomous districts might think they have more control, but the European parliament are the ones in real control.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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15 Oct 2013 15:30 #4 by The Boss
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Rick wrote: :rofllol Good luck with that one Fred. The central government makes the rules, decide how much they pay themselves, and decide how much power they get to have over the states and the people. Niether side has a desire to reduce the amount of power they enjoy (except maybe Tea Party types)


I would add including the Tea Party types that are just using marketing to make you think they don't like other people's money.

But most important, I repeat the laughing.

You are right, but this is not even close to possible. It will go the other way.

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15 Oct 2013 18:44 #5 by Rick
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on that note wrote:

Rick wrote: :rofllol Good luck with that one Fred. The central government makes the rules, decide how much they pay themselves, and decide how much power they get to have over the states and the people. Niether side has a desire to reduce the amount of power they enjoy (except maybe Tea Party types)


I would add including the Tea Party types that are just using marketing to make you think they don't like other people's money.

But most important, I repeat the laughing.

You are right, but this is not even close to possible. It will go the other way.

I agree we really can't trust people who say they believe in less government control and power, but at least they are pushing the issue into mainstream conversations. Imagine how utterly hopeless it would be if everyone just gave up and trusted Democratic?Republican expansion policies with no end in sight. The first step to addiction is just acknowledging the problem.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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15 Oct 2013 19:35 #6 by deltamrey
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Centralization...resisted by Jefferson and the VA elite was supported by the Northern States.....thus the civil war (slavery was a side issue used by Northern radicals to stir the public to the side of central power).
WDC started down the road to big, central government in 1865 and we reap the wind accordingly. Moving back to a new era of states rights is unlikely and revolutionary at this point.

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15 Oct 2013 20:07 #7 by LOL
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You see some small attempts at it by mostly western states, like obamacare exchange rejections, medicare expansion rejections, re-opening national parks with state funds, legal pot, etc. Doubt it is a major revolution though, the magic money flow with strings from the DC black hole is too tempting for most states to turn down.

If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2

Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.

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15 Oct 2013 20:53 #8 by FredHayek
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Anybody old enough to remember the Sagebrush Rebellion? IIRC it was a Reagan theme of the Western States trying to take power back from DC.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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15 Oct 2013 21:40 #9 by otisptoadwater
The Northern Colorado movement is in agreement with this idea. The issues I see around this make it impractical because the current balance of power is clearly focused down on the states by the POTUS. Way back when in places like the Prussian Empire the idea of independent city-states made sense but only because those systems of Gubment tended to be monarchies (dictatorships by another name). The local Lord/Baron/Arch Bishop ran herd over the peasants while supported by other politicians and military forces funded by the very people they oppressed.

The cure for what is driving our nation in the same direction as the United Kingdom? IMHO, somehow figure out how to get to people to understand that they're slitting their own sacks by asking for more and more handouts from the Gubment and get them to elect fiscal real conservatives who want to return our economy and our nation to the number one super power we used to be.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus

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15 Oct 2013 21:53 #10 by UNDER MODERATION
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Freds a moron, and then a peanut gallery of morons chime in on a moronic subject..

Thats it..This is a cess pool of human garbage

I'm sorry- I gotta go, this is embarassing

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