The Democrat’s Version of Health Insurance Would Have Been

Walter L Newton wrote:

Big Dougy wrote: Don't get your feelings hurt Walter, It was a question.. Why do you care? Are you afraid you might have to pay for your own insurance now, or do you work for, or are a major stockholder in the insurance industry or something? Theres got to be a reason

Youre on medicare right?

I have a Cadillac health care plan,

So why do you care about the ACA then?

Big Dougy wrote:

Walter L Newton wrote:

Big Dougy wrote: Don't get your feelings hurt Walter, It was a question.. Why do you care? Are you afraid you might have to pay for your own insurance now, or do you work for, or are a major stockholder in the insurance industry or something? Theres got to be a reason

Youre on medicare right?

I have a Cadillac health care plan,

So why do you care about the ACA then?

If you even have to ask that question then your ignorance is showing.

Big Dougy wrote: The Democrat’s Version of Health Insurance Would Have Been Cheaper, Simpler, and More Popular, So Why Did We Enact the Republican Version and Why Are They So Upset?

You just don't give up.

This is the Political Party types forced risk insurance mandate with blends of govt and business oversight and operation.

This is croney capitalism, brought to you by VL and all the mindless party types.

Those that argue it using the words Republican and Democrat have drunk the cool aid. These two groups are not different and if you see the differences, you have lost sight of the forest because you think the world is about bark fungus.

The party types, the Republicans and Democrats, conceived of how to screw us with legislation and then got 50% of the population to back them on something that was misunderstood so that they can feel like they got one over on the other half. You know this stuff is loose when folks that pushed for it (the first 50%) are jumping ship and trying to blame the other 50% for what they were blindly trained to lust for (i.e. this thread start). The ACA is starting to become universally unpopular and LJ missed her sign to post 30 times a day that it was the Republicans fault, so VL is stepping up in his own way.

If you think there is a collective solution to the problem of licensing doctors resulting in jacked up costs, let me let you in on a secret, it is the licenses that need to be addressed and the govt permission to practice.

But go ahead, keep attacking the problem like it is a baseball game, when the problem is not even in the ball park, the problem is you keep asking someone outside of yourself or your loved ones for solutions and false protections and you are willing to pay any amount of money for them, especially other people's money.

This is not a party thing, this is a thing for those so dumb or weak, they always need help with EVERYTHING. This is a problem for children, by definition, children that often have children. Age does not make someone a child, needing a lot of help to have a basic life does, we are mandating everyone become a child. When most Americans stop acting like little kids that always need help, then perhaps we will get back one of the most powerful things America ever had, pride in our abilities, vs. pride in what we can con from our neighbor (even in the name of the poor, because you usually fail at helping them too).

The Democrat's vision along with the Republicans is that you do the work and they spend the money. Rinse and repeat because you are still dirty. This law is for all the folks that think you can fix society by forcing your neighbor to comply, the new American way. Enjoy the marketing that makes you think these are different groups. This marketing (otherwise known in the US as "news") is the most popular media out there aside from porn, think about it. People love to have a friendly enemy, the only slightly less popular example of this is team sports.

Go Sox.

Big Dougy wrote:

Walter L Newton wrote:

Big Dougy wrote: Don't get your feelings hurt Walter, It was a question.. Why do you care? Are you afraid you might have to pay for your own insurance now, or do you work for, or are a major stockholder in the insurance industry or something? Theres got to be a reason

Youre on medicare right?

I have a Cadillac health care plan,

So why do you care about the ACA then?

People care because when we put costs in the blender, we all pay for everyone in some way. This is why parents have to bow to non parents in the community too in the schools. The parents wanted the money of the non parents (and a freaking lot of it, more than most families will pay for health insurance), so now the non parents have a voice, an EQUAL voice, to the parents about the schooling of their kids. haha. At least the money is not completely free.

But I understand, the basis of your logic is about selfishness.....once someone gets theirs, who cares....oh yeah and spend those other peoples' money to fix the problems of the media's poor, yeah their money, that's that ticket.

Who cares what the Democrats supposedly wanted? America didn't want HillaryCare and over 50% of Americans don't want ObamaCare.
And you claim the Dem plan would be cheaper, but Medicare and Medicaid have actually cost trillions more than the original estimate so a single payer would likely have the same cost overruns.

Big Dougy wrote: We wanted medicare for all, weve wanted it forever..This pile of sh** is your baby- And just like like shutdown, the American people know it

While Republicans plot new ways to sabotage the Affordable Care Act, it’s easy to forget that for years they’ve been arguing that any comprehensive health insurance system be designed exactly like the one that officially began October 1st, glitches and all.

For as many years Democrats tried to graft healthcare onto Social Security and Medicare, and pay for it through the payroll tax. But Republicans countered that any system must be based on private insurance and paid for with a combination of subsidies for low-income purchasers and a requirement that the younger and healthier sign up.

Not surprisingly, private health insurers cheered on the Republicans while doing whatever they could to block Democrats from creating a public insurance system.

In February 1974, Republican President Richard Nixon proposed, in essence, today’s Affordable Care Act. Under Nixon’s plan all but the smallest employers would provide insurance to their workers or pay a penalty, an expanded Medicaid-type program would insure the poor, and subsidies would be provided to low-income individuals and small employers. Sound familiar?

Private insurers were delighted with the Nixon plan but Democrats preferred a system based on Social Security and Medicare, and the two sides failed to agree.

Thirty years later a Republican governor, Mitt Romney, made Nixon’s plan the law in Massachusetts. Private insurers couldn’t have been happier although many Democrats in the state had hoped for a public system.

When today’s Republicans rage against the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act, it’s useful to recall this was their idea as well.

In 1989, Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage Foundation came up with a plan that would “mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance.”

Insurance companies loved Butler’s plan so much it found its way into several bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993. Among the supporters were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa (who now oppose the mandate under the Affordable Care Act). Newt Gingrich, who became Speaker of the House in 1995, was also a big proponent.

Romney’s heathcare plan in Massachusetts included the same mandate to purchase private insurance. “We got the idea of an individual mandate from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation,” said Romney, who thought the mandate “essential for bringing the health care costs down for everyone and getting everyone the health insurance they need.”

Now that the essential Republican plan for healthcare is being implemented nationally, health insurance companies are jubilant.

Last week, after the giant insurer Wellpoint raised its earnings estimates, CEO Joseph Swedish pointed to “the long-term membership growth opportunity through exchanges.” Other major health plans are equally bullish. “The emergence of public exchanges, private exchanges, Medicaid expansions … have the potential to create new opportunities for us to grow and serve in new ways,” UnitedHealth Group CEO Stephen J. Hemsley effused.

So why are today’s Republicans so upset with an Act they designed and their patrons adore? Because it’s the signature achievement of the Obama administration.


There’s a deep irony to all this. Had Democrats stuck to the original Democratic vision and built comprehensive health insurance on Social Security and Medicare, it would have been cheaper, simpler, and more widely accepted by the public. And Republicans would be hollering anyway.

It appears we have our very own Ward Churchill here..

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You knew it was cut and paste because the spelling and grammar were correct?
Or because it didn't have any personal insults?

FredHayek wrote: You knew it was cut and paste because the spelling and grammar were correct?
Or because it didn't have any personal insults?

The guy is a fraud and when he creates the illusion that someone elses words are his own, it not only pisses me off, it's also illegal...PERIOD.

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Ban him

FredHayek wrote: Ban him

Not looking to ban him, just tired of reading someone elses words with his name on them.