Yeah, the idea of 30million+ people being able to get affordable health care who couldn't afford it before must scare the teabaggers to death. Kids on their parent's plan until age 26; pre-existing conditions no longer a barrier; no more lifetime limits; preventative tests to catch things early....And all provided by private insurers...
It must drive the teabaggers batty thinking that all of those "takers" and the "unwashed masses" might get a break...Imagine my surprise that the sociopaths are up in arms that they can't find a way to keep it from happening.
And they're already going apoplectic about a program that doesn't officially go into effect until January 1st...
And don't forget the identity theft they can deal with for using a nonsecure website. Yep there will be a lot of happy people. Sure will be helping them immensely.
LadyJazzer wrote: Yeah, the idea of 30million+ people being able to get affordable health care who couldn't afford it before must scare the teabaggers to death. Kids on their parent's plan until age 26; pre-existing conditions no longer a barrier; no more lifetime limits; preventative tests to catch things early....And all provided by private insurers...
It must drive the teabaggers batty thinking that all of those "takers" and the "unwashed masses" might get a break...Imagine my surprise that the sociopaths are up in arms that they can't find a way to keep it from happening.
And they're already going apoplectic about a program that doesn't officially go into effect until January 1st...
LadyJazzer wrote: Yeah, the idea of 30million+ people being able to get affordable health care who couldn't afford it before must scare the teabaggers to death. Kids on their parent's plan until age 26; pre-existing conditions no longer a barrier; no more lifetime limits; preventative tests to catch things early....And all provided by private insurers...
It must drive the teabaggers batty thinking that all of those "takers" and the "unwashed masses" might get a break...Imagine my surprise that the sociopaths are up in arms that they can't find a way to keep it from happening.
And they're already going apoplectic about a program that doesn't officially go into effect until January 1st...
Tick-tock, tick-tock .....
After so many lies from this administration, you are still drinking the Kool-Aid. This community organizer didn't even hire a czar from the medical insurance industry, instead Karen Sebilius is running this program and badly. Good intentions alone do not add up to good results.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
LadyJazzer wrote: Yeah, the idea of 30million+ people being able to get affordable health care who couldn't afford it before must scare the teabaggers to death. Kids on their parent's plan until age 26; pre-existing conditions no longer a barrier; no more lifetime limits; preventative tests to catch things early....And all provided by private insurers...
It must drive the teabaggers batty thinking that all of those "takers" and the "unwashed masses" might get a break...Imagine my surprise that the sociopaths are up in arms that they can't find a way to keep it from happening.
And they're already going apoplectic about a program that doesn't officially go into effect until January 1st...
Tick-tock, tick-tock .....
After so many lies from this administration, you are still drinking the Kool-Aid. This community organizer didn't even hire a czar from the medical insurance industry, instead Karen Sebilius is running this program and badly. Good intentions alone do not add up to good results.
What good intentions? Libs what everyone to die for the good of the planet. Heartless bastards. Lower than pond scum.
Obama has been saying instead of using the website you can "simply" apply by mail or on the phone. He says it will take 25 minutes on the phone for an individual and 45 minutes for a family. Even if we accept his numbers, how can we enroll millions with those long phone times plus the time to process the application?
And it all turns out to be another big fib anyway since applications by mail or phone still have to go through the same healthcare.gov web queue as well...
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A series of internal Obama administration memos obtained exclusively by ABC News reveal for the first time how dysfunction with HealthCare.gov has upended the entire Affordable Care Act enrollment process, including applications by paper and phone that officials have been pushing as more reliable alternatives.
While President Obama and other top aides have publicly reassured frustrated consumers that they can bypass the troubled website and apply by phone in as little as 25 minutes, those working most closely with the rollout acknowledged privately that even the nonelectronic avenues would be no more efficient or guaranteed, the documents show.
“The same portal is used to determine eligibility no matter how the application is submitted (paper, online),” reads a Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight memo from Oct. 11.
“The paper applications allow people to feel like they are moving forward in the process and provides another option,” it says. “At the end of the day, we are all stuck in the same queue.”
Initial Health Care Enrollment Won’t Be What Administration Wanted
The documents show that officials decided reluctantly to encourage consumers to fill out paper applications to buy more time and tame mounting frustration with the website.
Initially, administrators of the enrollment process appeared wary of such a directive, knowing that it would not necessarily be faster and could be more labor-intensive for contractors processing the mail. But, ultimately, the memos show, officials decided to embrace paper applications to avoid losing the interest of potential enrollees.
“Navigators are seeing people very frustrated and walking away, so they are turning to paper applications to protect their reputations as people in the communities who can help,” a memo from Oct. 15 noted, “even though the paper applications will not have a quicker result necessarily.”
FredHayek wrote: And what worries me most about the ACA is how this administration seems to be more about good intentions than actual competence.
My grandmother always said "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
With all due respect Fred, that is how govt works. If it was not that way most new programs like the ACA would have worked into them a review and revise process.
ALL laws are passed assuming they will work and most are never checked.
This is why our economy and our subtle daily rights are completely wrapped up in constant interaction with the govt. Because we will all be better off, as long as we never measure or check it.
So while I agree, this is far from unique, cost benefit analysis is the opposite of govt policy.
The cool part is that when you run things that way, the ACA does NOT have to lower health care costs, reduce premiums or allow you to keep your own plan to have "worked" for those that supported it. All they have to do to get it to "work" is to get as many people wrapped up in it as possible. Then it will be here to stay and it will have "worked".
I really think everyone that keeps arguing this solely on this promise, reduced premiums, rights to keep plans or otherwise are correct in being frustrated, but the discussions are going no where to changing it.
I still feel the focus to end this should be on your resources being your own to decide how you are going to spend your money.
Shouldn't a 40 year old woman have the right to drop her health insurance so that she can send that money to her daughter that is having trouble feeding her grandson. The right to help my family when it is in need should outweigh my obligation to help other people's families in less need. But there is not form for this very common economic tradeoff (every purchase you make is a tradeoff).
If the goal is to wallow in this broken promise (while ignoring the next sentence of coverage) then please keep going. I would love to hear someone else give a basis on why the law should be stopped. Saying you heard one sentence and then ignored the rest just is not gaining enough momentum to change where we are headed. This argument is becoming birtheresque...and I want this law to stop as much as the rest of those opposed.
ACA will be one sixth of the American economy. And it looks like it is being run by people who are completely over their heads and no way at this rate can they sign up all the people who need insurance.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Good intentions alone do not add up to good results.
