And the ACA hits just keep coming

23 Dec 2013 19:18 #41 by jf1acai
12/15 -> 12/23 -> 12/24 -> ??

What the hell, laws are made to be broken, by this administration.

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23 Dec 2013 19:20 #42 by LadyJazzer
Perhaps you can show me the LAW that was broken???

:Snooze...

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23 Dec 2013 19:50 #43 by Rick

LadyJazzer wrote: Perhaps you can show me the LAW that was broken???

:Snooze...

I'm sure you'll be just fine with the next Republican president changing laws unilaterally like he changes his underware.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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23 Dec 2013 20:45 #44 by Blazer Bob

LadyJazzer wrote: Perhaps you can show me the LAW that was broken???

:Snooze...

LadyJazzer wrote: <deleted>

The ACA is not a "policy", or a "bill"...It is the LAW OF THE LAND, duly passed by both houses of Congress, tested in the Supreme Court and found to be Constitutional, and you LOST the last election, which had that as a main campaign issue.

What part of "YOU LOSE" do you not get? The ACA is not negotiable either, and Cruz, and Lee and Steve King and all of their wacko buddies are going to find out what it means to paint themselves into a corner from which there is no exit.

Tick-tock, tick-tock....


:rofllol

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23 Dec 2013 21:32 #45 by pineinthegrass

BlazerBob wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Perhaps you can show me the LAW that was broken???

:Snooze...

LadyJazzer wrote: <deleted>

The ACA is not a "policy", or a "bill"...It is the LAW OF THE LAND, duly passed by both houses of Congress, tested in the Supreme Court and found to be Constitutional, and you LOST the last election, which had that as a main campaign issue.

What part of "YOU LOSE" do you not get? The ACA is not negotiable either, and Cruz, and Lee and Steve King and all of their wacko buddies are going to find out what it means to paint themselves into a corner from which there is no exit.

Tick-tock, tick-tock....


:rofllol


Brilliant retort Bob! lol

In her own words, LJ continues to be a huge hypocrite.

Now I'm waiting for the Mitt Romney cut and paste jobs from her, not that it has anything to do with the subject as usual. That's all she's got any more other than the usual knuckle dragger and tea bagger insults thrown randomly around... :smackshead:

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23 Dec 2013 22:28 #46 by Reverend Revelant

pineinthegrass wrote: In her own words, LJ continues to be a huge hypocrite.

Now I'm waiting for the Mitt Romney cut and paste jobs from her, not that it has anything to do with the subject as usual. That's all she's got any more other than the usual knuckle dragger and tea bagger insults thrown randomly around... :smackshead:


Lady Jazzer has nothing... it's over... the ACA is one big f'king mess right now. Even her staunch supporter Archer hasn't come to her rescue.

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23 Dec 2013 22:49 #47 by LadyJazzer
I'm still waiting for the section of the law that he says was "broken"... That wasn't a retort...It was the usual asinine quick-shot empty fact-free deflection...

So, show me what part of the law has been broken? These haters have nothing more than the usual cheap shots, and NO FACTS to back them up...

So, what part of the law was broken? Perhaps you can show me the LAW that was broken???

:Snooze...



And, yes, if you want to try to hang your hat on the fact that Obama evolved on the subject of Marriage Equality, I'll be more than happy to cram all of the flip-flops of the guy you voted for down your throat. Cramming your little teabagger one-liners down your throat is what I live for. And doing it to the sociopathic neo-fascist pukes that seem to primarily inhabit this board makes it all the more enjoyable.

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24 Dec 2013 04:14 #48 by Reverend Revelant

LadyJazzer wrote: I'm still waiting for the section of the law that he says was "broken"... That wasn't a retort...It was the usual asinine quick-shot empty fact-free deflection...

So, show me what part of the law has been broken? These haters have nothing more than the usual cheap shots, and NO FACTS to back them up...

So, what part of the law was broken? Perhaps you can show me the LAW that was broken???

:Snooze...


Perhaps someone can. Let's try constitutional law.

There are a handful of people a little more versed in constitutional law then you (and obviously more versed then our "constitutional law professor from Harvard" Obama) I'll let one of them them answer your question...

Jonathan Turley

While the line between legislation and enforcement can become blurred, this view is generally reflective of the functions defined in Article I and Article II. The Take Care Clause is one of the most direct articulations of this division. The Clause states “[The President] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed . . .” U.S. Const. art. II, § 3, cl. 4. It is one of the clearest and most important mandates in the Constitution. The Framers not only draw the distinction between making and enforcing laws, but, with the enforcement of the law, the Framers stressed that the execution of the laws created by Congress must be faithfully administered. The language combines a mandate of the execution of laws with the qualifying obligation of their faithful execution.

From Internet gambling to educational waivers to immigration deportations to health care decisions, the Obama Administration has been unilaterally ordering major changes in federal law with the notable exclusion of Congress. Many of these changes have been defended as discretionary acts or mere interpretations of existing law. However, they fit an undeniable pattern of circumventing Congress in the creation new major standards, exceptions, or outright nullification's.

I cannot find the authority under the ACA to grant millions of Americans an effective waiver or delay.

The “fix” makes obvious political sense for the Administration but I fail to see the constitutional basis for such unilateral changes in a federal law.

http://jonathanturley.org/2013/11/15/th ... -citizens/


I think that will do for a start. Thanks for playing.

(Of course, since Lady Jazzer has so many people on "ignore" (including myself), she will not be put in the position to read this or answer the points made by Turley and others, even if she had the intelligence to rebut it.)

For further reading

Known as the Take Care clause, it was deliberately inserted there...

to abolish the Royal Prerogative that the framers of the American Constitution knew from their lives as Englishmen. It was the power of the king of England to disregard or effectively suspend Acts of Parliament. The king could not make laws, but he could shelve a law that Parliament had passed.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/co ... titutional

Two constitutional law professors told the House Judiciary Committee that President Obama exceeded his authority with unilateral actions on immigration and Obamacare enforcement.

Two constitutional law professors told Congress on Tuesday that President Obama exceeded his authority when he unilaterally extended the deadline for enforcement of the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act.

“I believe the president has exceeded his brief,” George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley testified.

“The president is required to faithfully execute the laws. He’s not required to enforce all laws equally or commit the same resources to them,” he said. “But I believe the president has crossed the constitutional line.”

Georgetown University Law Professor Nicholas Rosenkranz agreed with Turley’s assessment that the president had crossed the line in some of his unilateral actions.

“This is wholesale suspension of law in the teeth of a clear statutory command to the contrary,” Professor Rosenkranz said.

“Whatever it means that the laws be faithfully executed, it cannot mean failing to execute the law at all,” he said.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2 ... told-audio

Professor Turley is widely regarded as a champion of the rule of law, and his stated positions in many cases and his self-proclaimed "socially liberal agenda".[8] have led liberal and progressive thinkers to also consider him a champion for their causes, especially on issues such as separation of church and state, environmental law,[10][16] civil rights,[7][17] and the illegality of torture.[18][19][20][21] Politico has referred to Turley as a "liberal law professor and longtime civil libertarian".[22]

In 2005, Turley was given the Columnist of the Year award for Single-Issue Advocacy for his columns on civil liberties by the Aspen Institute[1] and The Week Magazine.[44]

He was ranked among the nation's top 500 lawyers in 2008.[45] Turley was found to be the second most cited law professor in the country as well as being ranked as one of the top ten military lawyers.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Turley

JONATHAN TURLEY

Professor Jonathan Turley is a nationally recognized legal scholar who has written extensively in areas ranging from constitutional law to legal theory to tort law. He has written over three dozen academic articles that have appeared in a variety of leading law journals at Cornell, Duke, Georgetown, Harvard, Northwestern, and other schools.

Professor Turley is a frequent witness before the House and Senate on constitutional and statutory issues as well as tort reform legislation.

http://jonathanturley.org/about/

The Rise of the Fourth Branch of Government

The rise of the fourth branch has occurred alongside an unprecedented increase in presidential powers — from the power to determine when to go to war to the power to decide when it’s reasonable to vaporize a U.S. citizen in a drone strike. In this new order, information is jealously guarded and transparency has declined sharply. That trend, in turn, has given the fourth branch even greater insularity and independence. When Congress tries to respond to cases of agency abuse, it often finds officials walled off by claims of expanding executive privilege.

http://jonathanturley.org/2013/05/26/th ... overnment/

Is President Obama’s “Administrative Fix” Even Legal? Probably Not

Regardless of how one feels about the PPACA as a matter of policy, there ought be a serious concern about the prospect of a President who, rather than proceeding through Congress to obtain changes to laws that have proven to be problematic in one way or another, use the fall back of “Executive discretion” to create change on their own. This isn’t how it’s supposed to work, of course. What’s supposed to happen is that Congress passes laws and the President executes them. If it turns out that there are problems with the law, then it’s up to Congress to fix it. Given our current political environment, of course, the common response to this point will be that, because of the continual efforts of Republicans in the House to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, and the ability of the minority in the Senate to use that body’s rule to block legislation they disapprove of, the President has no authority to act on his (or her) own. However, while that may be a good explanation for why President Obama thinks he needs to act in this manner, it is not a sufficient legal justification for a President who acts outside of his Constitutional authority.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/is-pre ... bably-not/


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24 Dec 2013 08:26 - 24 Dec 2013 09:09 #49 by LOL
Besides the legality of all these administrative fixes, one has to consider the business side of it too. The insurance carriers have to start wondering at some point if the business is viable when the rules and regulations can arbitrarily be tweaked on the fly by an arrogant dictator threatening companies with access to selling qualified plans on a government marketplace. Some states already have only one or two insurance carriers, what happens next year?

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24 Dec 2013 08:31 #50 by FredHayek
The insurance companies will be bailed out?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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