THE SURVEILLANCE STATE COMES APART AT THE SEAMS

21 Dec 2013 12:24 #1 by Blazer Bob
Even if it did,

"“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Ben Franklin


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/12/20/t ... the-seams/

"While we’re understandably preoccupied with the astonishing spectacle of ObamaCare’s collapse, there are some other strange things going on in Washington. The past few weeks have seen a number of dismaying developments in the story that riveted America before HealthCareDotGov blew up on the launch pad: NSA surveillance. In a rapid series of events, the legal and practical justifications for the surveillance state have fallen apart.

The White House set up a review panel that was widely expected to whitewash claims from the other parts of the White House, but instead everything faded to black. As related by NBC News, panelists openly expressed their surprise at what they found:

“It was, ‘Huh, hello? What are we doing here?’” said Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor, in an interview with NBC News. “The results were very thin.”

While Stone said the mass collection of telephone call records was a “logical program” from the NSA’s perspective, one question the White House panel was seeking to answer was whether it had actually stopped “any [terror attacks] that might have been really big.”

“We found none,” said Stone."...

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21 Dec 2013 12:55 #2 by homeagain
OH MY.....what a surprise....BUT, it was the definitive solution to all of our security problems
in a post 9/11 environment.....(NOT) :fwave: :smackshead: again, those that could see down
the road KNEW this would be the outcome.

Here' ANOTHER Voltaire quote for you BB...."It is dangerous to be RIGHT in matters where
established men are WRONG."....Voltaire

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21 Dec 2013 16:01 #3 by FredHayek
Really looks like the White House is willing to roll back NSA powers but we will see if this holds.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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21 Dec 2013 16:15 #4 by deltamrey
Sheeple.......too late. We gave the lawyers/clerks in WDC permission to monitor all phone calls, internet transactions (e-mail example) and install location software on all computers with links to satellites (GPS).......all done and growing. ANY talking head from WDC or Denver is never to be trusted going forward........

Your only defense is not to use the cell system of internet unless strong encryption is employed.....PERIOD. When is the last time you saw a pay phone...........?? The entrapment is essentially complete.

The big carriers/providers have no choice
they must provide access to your computers and phones.....of go to jail.

Brave new world circa 1984........and YOU fell for it......

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22 Dec 2013 08:55 #5 by Rick

deltamrey wrote: Sheeple.......too late. We gave the lawyers/clerks in WDC permission to monitor all phone calls, internet transactions (e-mail example) and install location software on all computers with links to satellites (GPS).......all done and growing. ANY talking head from WDC or Denver is never to be trusted going forward........

Your only defense is not to use the cell system of internet unless strong encryption is employed.....PERIOD. When is the last time you saw a pay phone...........?? The entrapment is essentially complete.

The big carriers/providers have no choice


they must provide access to your computers and phones.....of go to jail.

Brave new world circa 1984........and YOU fell for it......

Pretty much. We all fell in love with the technology and the government then saw the opportunity to use it "for our own good". Now we have to worry about our ever changing government using it against us. Good thing this administration is so transparent.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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23 Dec 2013 09:46 #6 by Reverend Revelant
THE SURVEILLANCE STATE COMES APART AT THE SEAMS... you're only being made to believe that...

Michael Morell, the former acting director of the CIA and a member of President Obama's task force on surveillance, said in an interview on Sunday that a controversial telephone data-collection program conducted by the National Security Agency should be expanded to include emails. He also said the program, far from being unnecessary, could prevent the next 9/11.

Morell, seeking to correct any misperception that the presidential panel had called for a radical curtailment of NSA programs, said he is in favor of restarting a program the NSA discontinued in 2011 that involved the collection of "metadata" for Internet communications. That program gets only a brief mention in a footnote on page 97 of the task-force report, "Liberty and Security in A Changing World." "I would argue actually that the email data is probably more valuable than the telephony data," Morell told National Journal in a telephone interview. "You can bet that the last thing a smart terrorist is going to do right now is call someone in the United States."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/ ... n-20131222


(I rarely link to articles by blatantly biased conservative sources, but this article seem to shy away from any partisan hyperbole)

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