Outrage of the day LOL

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... g/4265633/

"A tactic used by the federal government to gather information for anti-drunken and drugged driving programs is coming under criticism in cities around the country, and some local police agencies say they will no longer take part."

"Checkpoints, which the government insists are voluntary, are creating a backlash..."

Well it's about time there is a "backlash", I kinda like that word....

Your papers please... And some saliva, blood, urine, hair and DNA if you don't mind.

"The NHTSA has conducted the surveys for more than 40 years, in cities across the USA and usually at roughly 10-year intervals. In many cases, off-duty, uniformed police officers randomly wave motorists over; they are then asked by workers for subcontractor Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation if they will participate in the voluntary survey. Drivers who decline are allowed to leave"

What's the problem?

Reverend Revelant wrote: "The NHTSA has conducted the surveys for more than 40 years, in cities across the USA and usually at roughly 10-year intervals. In many cases, off-duty, uniformed police officers randomly wave motorists over; they are then asked by workers for subcontractor Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation if they will participate in the voluntary survey. Drivers who decline are allowed to leave"

What's the problem?

So are they required to stop and roll their window down, or can they just wave goodbye and keep rolling? I doubt a cop would let a driver continue on if a weed cloud billowed out the window or if he noticed a beer in the cup holder. I've never been part of one of those "voluntary surveys" but just wasting my time would piss me off enough.

Rick wrote:

Reverend Revelant wrote: "The NHTSA has conducted the surveys for more than 40 years, in cities across the USA and usually at roughly 10-year intervals. In many cases, off-duty, uniformed police officers randomly wave motorists over; they are then asked by workers for subcontractor Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation if they will participate in the voluntary survey. Drivers who decline are allowed to leave"

What's the problem?

So are they required to stop and roll their window down, or can they just wave goodbye and keep rolling? I doubt a cop would let a driver continue on if a weed cloud billowed out the window or if he noticed a beer in the cup holder. I've never been part of one of those "voluntary surveys" but just wasting my time would piss me off enough.

I would think you would want the cop, off duty or not, to arrest someone drinking or smoking post in a car.

An officer of the law, off duty or not, has the jurisdiction to stop your vehicle. I would think you would want the cop, off duty or not, to arrest or fine someone who doesn't obey an officer.

Your wasted time is not enough for an outrage or to stop these lawful surveys.

Reverend Revelant wrote:

Rick wrote:

Reverend Revelant wrote: "The NHTSA has conducted the surveys for more than 40 years, in cities across the USA and usually at roughly 10-year intervals. In many cases, off-duty, uniformed police officers randomly wave motorists over; they are then asked by workers for subcontractor Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation if they will participate in the voluntary survey. Drivers who decline are allowed to leave"

What's the problem?

So are they required to stop and roll their window down, or can they just wave goodbye and keep rolling? I doubt a cop would let a driver continue on if a weed cloud billowed out the window or if he noticed a beer in the cup holder. I've never been part of one of those "voluntary surveys" but just wasting my time would piss me off enough.

I would think you would want the cop, off duty or not, to arrest someone drinking or smoking post in a car.

An officer of the law, off duty or not, has the jurisdiction to stop your vehicle. I would think you would want the cop, off duty or not, to arrest or fine someone who doesn't obey an officer.

Your wasted time is not enough for an outrage or to stop these lawful surveys.

If I'm not doing anything wrong, I don't think I should be pulled over and "surveyed"... but that's just my opinion, it could just be radical thinking on my part.

Reverend Revelant wrote: "The NHTSA has conducted the surveys for more than 40 years, in cities across the USA and usually at roughly 10-year intervals. In many cases, off-duty, uniformed police officers randomly wave motorists over; they are then asked by workers for subcontractor Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation if they will participate in the voluntary survey. Drivers who decline are allowed to leave"

What's the problem?

From the link in the OP. Some times the ACLU gets it right.

"
However, the mere presence of uniformed officers gives the checkpoints an aura of authority, says Mary Catherine Roper, a senior staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania. She is studying the issue there after motorists complained about a survey checkpoint last month in Reading.

"We have a whole bunch of rules about when police can pull you over," she says. "It looks like an exercise of official authority when a cop pulls you over. People assume it's mandatory, and of course you're going to stop. That's a constitutional problem right there.

"Normally, police cannot pull you over unless they have a good reason for thinking you've done something wrong," Roper says. "There's no exemption to the Constitution for conducting a survey. They're pulling people off the road.""...

BlazerBob wrote:

Reverend Revelant wrote: "The NHTSA has conducted the surveys for more than 40 years, in cities across the USA and usually at roughly 10-year intervals. In many cases, off-duty, uniformed police officers randomly wave motorists over; they are then asked by workers for subcontractor Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation if they will participate in the voluntary survey. Drivers who decline are allowed to leave"

What's the problem?

From the link in the OP. Some times the ACLU gets it right.

"
However, the mere presence of uniformed officers gives the checkpoints an aura of authority, says Mary Catherine Roper, a senior staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania. She is studying the issue there after motorists complained about a survey checkpoint last month in Reading.

"We have a whole bunch of rules about when police can pull you over," she says. "It looks like an exercise of official authority when a cop pulls you over. People assume it's mandatory, and of course you're going to stop. That's a constitutional problem right there.

"Normally, police cannot pull you over unless they have a good reason for thinking you've done something wrong," Roper says. "There's no exemption to the Constitution for conducting a survey. They're pulling people off the road.""...

It took the ACLU 40 years to find this OUTRAGE.

Meh.

Rick wrote: If I'm not doing anything wrong, I don't think I should be pulled over and "surveyed"... but that's just my opinion, it could just be radical thinking on my part.

That's right. I don't like the Feds doing it, or the state, county, or even the insurance companies with their fancy driver habits technology gadgets. SOBs Its wrong and our court system will decide if it's legal, if they ever get around to it.

From the OP's link:

...She suggests "there are lots of other places you can talk to drivers. You could hand out notes at a toll booth asking them to participate. You could do them at highway rest stops. There are a lot of ways to do this that do not involve … the government forcing you off the road."

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Agree. Unless dozens of people are lying about being forced into an area off the main road, yea, they...aren't...supposed...to do that. They do it anyway, guess that makes it okay? Maybe for a puss.