Billionaire's Scam: SS won't exist when Millennial's get old

RenegadeCJ wrote: That is criminal to take more than 50% of someone's income.

It wasn't "criminal" in 1981 and earlier... (70% top bracket)...

And yes, I have NO problem with removing the cap on Social Security wages...and also subjecting capital-gains to it, as well....

archer wrote: It's no secret that many of the conservatives believe that the only way the republican party can survive is to keep the majority of the citizens uneducated.....thus the war on teachers and public schools. An educated public sees right through their BS.....except, of course, for those who are educated and fascist and have a lust for power.They use the conservatives to further their own goals.

Holy Crap, Archer. If any political group is to blame for the poor education in this country it's the liberals. The liberals have dominated public education in this country for decades which is why it is such a mess.

Archer, what party controls the teachers unions which protect under-performing teachers from any accountability? If the Democrat teachers unions got out of politics and focused on their job, maybe they would make some progress in improving public ed.

Consider the numbers above: Of the almost $60 million in campaign contributions distributed by the NEA and the AFT, more than $56 million went to Democrats. That means that roughly 95 percent of the unions' money went toward Democratic candidates.

Honestly, Archer, that is one of the biggest loads of BS you've ever dumped on this board. That is a comment I'd expect from a paranoid schizo in a foil hat.

The only foil hat here is the one being worn by those who claim teachers have a liberal agenda to indoctrinate children with their liberal views.

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Martin Enterprises wrote: Teachers are entitlement pigs. They suck at their jobs and they suck the life out of kids.

Schools are no longer learning places but a place for pedophiles, and agenda pushers.

All you have to do is look at PC schools millions wasted on buildings, families choosing Home Schooling over idiot teachers, and administration.

Public school will become a thing of the past in a few years.

archer wrote: The only foil hat here is the one being worn by those who claim teachers have a liberal agenda to indoctrinate children with their liberal views.

I know, there is nothing to see here and if I think otherwise I am a racist. Did I get that right?

BTW this is just a side show. Teach children to think and indoctrination of any stripe does not matter. Don't you agree the first step in that is teaching them to read?

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I agree that if you teach children to read, wrote, arithmetic, history, science, literature, art, music, and athletics they will be able to think and reason for themselves. All these disciplines, and many more need to be available to all students in this country, not just those who live in higher income areas our those who can realistically send their children to private or charter schools.

I also believe that most teachers both love and are good at what they do. I had 2 kids go through the public school system, one on Colorado, one in Texas, both had good experiences, excellent teachers, and a well rounded and well balanced education. I want that for all our students, no matter where they live, how much their parents make, what color or ethnicity they are, or even if they are here legally. Ignorance breeds despair, criminal activity, drug dependence, low wages, and on and on. This country can do better

ScienceChic wrote: Sorry, but I absolutely disagree that education should be decided by parents. When you look at stats like 1 in 4 Americans Apparently Unaware the Earth Orbits the Sun there is no way in hell I would ever want those people deciding my kids educational standards. Public education was supposed to be how those who couldn't afford to pay for education could still learn so that they could make a good living for themselves and make their way in life, better themselves and their own children. It was never meant to oppress or brainwash, and that's not fair to portray liberals as wanting that.

The 50 largest cities in the Union graduate an average of 60% of their students SC, and that is up from prior years by the way. Perhaps that is one explanation as to why there is such a high percentage of the population that thinks the sun revolves around the earth?

You want to know just how far educational standards have fallen? Take a good look at some of the tests required to pass the 8th grade and move onto secondary education a century ago and you'd be amazed at just how little we have come to expect from the public school monopoly when it comes to educating the population that has no alternatives to those schools simply because the government has a vested interest in maintaining that monopoly. We can offer those children better alternatives, but that runs afoul of the public sector union employees, and we all know how important they are in maintaining power in the halls of government these days.

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RenegadeCJ wrote: That is criminal to take more than 50% of someone's income.

It wasn't "criminal" in 1981 and earlier... (70% top bracket)...

And how many exemptions and deductions were surrendered in exchange for a significantly lower tax rate? That's the part that the statists always leave out of their disingenuous diatribes about how the top earners used to have a much higher tax rate than they do currently. I wonder why that is, don't you? I'm betting that the majority of the people who were subject to that rate would love to go back to those days and regain all the exemptions and deductions that they no longer have. Their total tax paid would likely be less than it is today. But of course the collectivists don't really want to go back to anything other than the tax rate. Their goal, after all, is redistribution of wealth.

And for some odd reason the fact that the total tax burden to support Social Security has increased by over 400% since 1965 is not mentioned either. Not only has the income tax rate levied on the individual worker increased from 3.625 to 6.2%, a 71% increase in the tax rate, the total amount of income subject to being taxed has roughly tripled adjusted for inflation. When my father was working for a public utility when I was a lad he actually stood a chance of reaching a point where he reached the maximum income subject to Social Security taxes. It was $4,800 in 1965, which is roughly $36K in 2014 dollars. Now it's what, $107K give or take? And the program is still fiscally insolvent? That sounds like there is a problem in the way the program is organized and administered to me. Wouldn't you agree?

archer wrote: I agree that if you teach children to read, wrote, arithmetic, history, science, literature, art, music, and athletics they will be able to think and reason for themselves. All these disciplines, and many more need to be available to all students in this country, not just those who live in higher income areas our those who can realistically send their children to private or charter schools.

I also believe that most teachers both love and are good at what they do. I had 2 kids go through the public school system, one on Colorado, one in Texas, both had good experiences, excellent teachers, and a well rounded and well balanced education. I want that for all our students, no matter where they live, how much their parents make, what color or ethnicity they are, or even if they are here legally. Ignorance breeds despair, criminal activity, drug dependence, low wages, and on and on. This country can do better

Lord I get tired of having to point this fact out. Charter schools are public schools! They receive more autonomy in exchange for being held to a higher standard than the rest of the public school system is, but they are still public schools! They receive less in per pupil funding than the rest of the public school system does and they return superior results with fewer tax dollars spent. Isn't that a win/win? Charter schools are doing better, and they are doing better at a lower cost to the taxpayer. So if what you want is a better result for every child, then let's start adopting the system that actually provides that better result regardless of economic situation, skin color or gender, shall we? Charter schools emerge in areas where the traditional public school model is failing. Their rise is directly tied to the failure of the existing government monopoly to get the job done. The more choices that parents are given, the better the results are for the children. That is demonstrated quite clearly when one looks at children from the same neighborhoods, from the same economic situations, and how they perform when they attend either a charter school or receive a scholarship to attend a private school. If better results are truly what you want then you should be getting behind the reform movement to put the public subsidy in the control of the parent to be spent at the school of the parent's choosing. That will allow them to take that subsidy and spend it where their child will be getting the best education possible.

archer wrote: I agree that if you teach children to read, wrote, arithmetic, history, science, literature, art, music, and athletics they will be able to think and reason for themselves. All these disciplines, and many more need to be available to all students in this country, not just those who live in higher income areas our those who can realistically send their children to private or charter schools.

I also believe that most teachers both love and are good at what they do. I had 2 kids go through the public school system, one on Colorado, one in Texas, both had good experiences, excellent teachers, and a well rounded and well balanced education. I want that for all our students, no matter where they live, how much their parents make, what color or ethnicity they are, or even if they are here legally. Ignorance breeds despair, criminal activity, drug dependence, low wages, and on and on. This country can do better

I agree with almost every point in your post but should we punish the students who could benefit from charter schools for example because we cannot go abrakadabra and make it instantly available for all?