Ebola Patients Being Flown to America

04 Aug 2014 18:16 #11 by Reverend Revelant

ramage wrote: Hi Rev,
Yes "A stray dog can bite you and you can get rabies" Not sure of your point, Rabies has a definite treatment and it is hard to find a dog in the US with rabies. vets will tell you that rabies cases in the US come from mammals other than dogs. e.g. raccoons .
You are correct in that anyone can enter the US legally and could have an infectious disease. Using your caps, THANK GOD FOR CUSTOMS AND BORDER CONTROL, I am sure they will append the culprit, hopefully he/she will have stained their underwear like the Detroit Underwear Bomber.


And of course you missed the point totally. You were concerned that someone would come over the southern border, ready to release an Ebola terror threat. If anyone wanted to do that, it could have been done anytime, any year using normal means of transportation. No one would have had to wait for a situation such as has happened at the southern boarder.

So what makes you think that a Ebola terror attack would suddenly appear at our southern border? The oppertunity has been available for years and years. Or is this a convenient way to hang something unrelated on the current administration?

Methinks you protest too much. (sorry LOL)

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04 Aug 2014 19:36 #12 by ramage
Hi Rev,
I did not miss your point, i disagree with it. With regard to your comment, an individual could simply obtain an injection of the Ebola virus and buy a ticket on United and fly to the USA. being an upstanding individual he would be allowed in the USA without question. Don't think so.
The Southern border of the USA is now open to all unlike airports. What is the current administration that you reference?
By the way watch out for that rabid dog he may be here in the mountains, luckily you have 48 hrs if bitten, to seek treatment

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05 Aug 2014 02:18 #13 by Reverend Revelant

ramage wrote: Hi Rev,
I did not miss your point, i disagree with it. With regard to your comment, an individual could simply obtain an injection of the Ebola virus and buy a ticket on United and fly to the USA. being an upstanding individual he would be allowed in the USA without question. Don't think so.


You don't think so...

UPPER EAST SIDE (WABC) -- Mount Sinai Hospital is performing tests on a patient who had recently traveled to a West African country where Ebola has been reported, the hospital says.

A male patient with high fever and gastrointestinal symptoms came to the hospital's emergency room on Monday morning, officials said.

7online.com/health/mount-sinai-patient-t...-ebola-virus/239663/


In this case, the person probably wasn't a terrorist. But evidently he got on a plane, got into this county with no problem and then got sick. Obviously he was allowed into this county without question.

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05 Aug 2014 06:53 #14 by FredHayek
The new speculation is this patient doesn't have Ebola.

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05 Aug 2014 07:06 #15 by homeagain
Consider this.....if an entity (terrorist) was so inclined, it would be incredibly EASY to sabotage the
water/food pipeline. The FDA is woefully understaffed/funded to PROTECT those resources,casualty/
damage would FAR EXCEED expectations....the medical community/resources would be rapidly overwhelmed.

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05 Aug 2014 08:49 #16 by Reverend Revelant

FredHayek wrote: The new speculation is this patient doesn't have Ebola.


Not the point Fred.

Ramage said "an individual could simply obtain an injection of the Ebola virus and buy a ticket on United and fly to the USA. being an upstanding individual he would be allowed in the USA without question. Don't think so."

Ramage is wrong, as evidenced by the very recent incident. Whether this person had the virus or not, he came here, got off the plane and got sick, without question.

That's the point Fred. Stay with the program.

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05 Aug 2014 09:16 - 05 Aug 2014 09:16 #17 by FredHayek
Sorry, will continue my diversion. Scary is seeing the caregivers in Africa dying from Ebola too. I know their standards of care aren't as high as ours, but you think they would be very careful with this horrible disease.
And while I think the scenario of people being infected with Ebola and flown to America is highly unlikely, people who don't know they have it and flying home is much more possible, especially with western aid agencies pulling out team members.

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05 Aug 2014 10:51 - 24 Aug 2014 22:32 #18 by ScienceChic
I'm alternating between amusement and tear-my-hair-out frustration at the garbage I'm seeing with this situation (not here, elsewhere). From the conspiracy whackjobs (I refuse to call them "theorists"-they wouldn't know the difference between a hypothesis, a theory, and a personal opinion if Jenny McCarthy came up and boob-smacked them) who are saying that the CDC is going to unleash an ebola pandemic so Obama can institute martial law (like he's going to do every year when the flu breaks out too) to the holistic pushers who claim that cinnamon can save you and then get mad at people when questioned for evidence of that, it's just a sad testimony to the gullibility of our population. I get testy and lose my brain-mouth filter when I see idiots say "those people are as good as dead, leave them there" - no, they are not, but apparently compassion is. :smackshead:

Look, in the big picture ebola is worth being concerned about, and getting informed about, but it's NOT worth freaking out over. You are more likely to die of the flu, but look how many people refuse flu vaccines every year. You are more likely to die in a car crash. As my favorite blogger, Jim Wright, put it on his Facebook post on this topic: "Yes, there's a risk from ebola. So what? Compared to what? As an American my risk of dying from gun violence is measurably greater than being infected by ebola. Hell, I fully expect to get offed by some moron on the highway who's busy updating her f***ing Facebook page instead of paying attention to the road."

Ebola is not airborne. If someone infected with it sneezes directly in your face, it's called fluid transfer, not airborne transfer. Is there a chance it could become airborne, absolutely - it's a virus and it's mutating. There's always that chance. That's why funding research is so g**damn important, so we know what it's doing and can do something about it. We are more likely to have an infected traveler bring it here than the two Americans who were flown in through special isolated procedures, but even if we have an infected traveler bring it here the chances of an outbreak becoming widespread is remote - we Americans don't personally wash the bodies of our dead loved ones before burying them, we have professionals who understand what to do with disease-infected bodies. We have abundant medical facilities that can isolate patients, unlike poor villages where temporary isolation units are set up.

What should you do if we have an outbreak here? It depends on where it is and how fast it's spreading. If you're really worried, quarantine yourself and your family until it passes. Since it's spread by direct contact, remove that risk. Simple as that. Yes, doctors wearing biohazard suits came down with it, but do we know how tired they were from working nonstop in crappy conditions? Did they slip up and expose themselves in their fatigue, or did the virus become more deadly and make it past the suits? Until that's known, by taking samples and sequencing the DNA and testing it on animals in double-blind studies, there's no point in speculating or worrying needlessly.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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05 Aug 2014 11:33 #19 by Blazer Bob

ScienceChic wrote: I'm alternating between amusement and tear-my-hair-out frustration at the garbage I'm seeing with this situation (not here, elsewhere). From the conspiracy whackjobs (I refuse to call them "theorists"-they wouldn't know the difference between a hypothesis, a theory, and a personal opinion if Jenny McCarthy came up and boob-smacked them) who are saying that the CDC is going to unleash an ebola pandemic so Obama can institute martial law (like he's going to do every year when the flu breaks out too) to the holistic pushers who claim that cinnamon can save you and then get mad at people when questioned for evidence of that, it's just a sad testimony to the gullibility of our population. I get testy and lose my brain-mouth filter when I see idiots say "those people are as good as dead, leave them there" - no, they are not, but apparently compassion is. :smackshead:


We must surf different websites. I have not heard any of that. BTW, who is Jenny McCarthy?

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05 Aug 2014 12:01 #20 by ScienceChic
The "actress", Playboy model, (used to be married to Jim Carrey) mouthpiece for the anti-vaccination movement. She is now a host on The View but has for years since her son developed autism pronounced loudly and at way too many occasions that it's because of his immunizations that he became autistic.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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