Ways We Talk About Hacked Stolen Photos SImilar to Discussions on Rape

02 Sep 2014 17:04 #1 by ScienceChic
I haven't, and will not, look at a single picture that has been stolen in this hacker attack. I think it's just as bad as buying a bicycle that you know is stolen. Just because a theft is committed on the internet doesn't make it any less damaging, or any less wrong.

And the comments I've been seeing around the internet that the celebrities "should have known better" than to take nude photos is just another symptom of blaming the victim and not the attacker who Broke The Law. Those people need to stop enabling that attitude. Wrong is wrong.

On Hacked Nude Photos and Stealing a Piece of the Soul
No means no, even in stolen photos.
By Luke O'Neil on September 1, 2014

There's a term for seizing access to a woman's sexuality without her permission when it takes place in the physical world, and yet most of the people who consume these types of images and trade them back and forth like young men might have done with prized baseball cards in a previous generation would scoff at the suggestion that there's any analogy to be made here to rape. Much like we've seen in nearly every other realm, however, our ethics here have not caught up to the technology. Very few of us would hide in the bushes outside of a woman's home in order to catch a glimpse of her getting changed, but how is that any different from this?

When you consider this is a generation who have divorced all sense of worth from intellectual property – music, movies and so on – it's easy to see why they might think of digital dissemination of a stolen image as a victimless crime. It's on the Internet, therefore it's mine for the taking. But unlike music, for example, in which the creator wanted people to have access to it in the first place, stolen photos like these were never meant to be seen.

The ways in which we talk about hacked photo scandals like this one are certainly very close to the ways we talk about rape.


Not that this makes me feel much safer, but...

Celebrity iCloud Accounts Compromised by Weak Passwords, Not iCloud Breach

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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02 Sep 2014 18:06 #2 by PrintSmith
To me the analogy is more along the lines of having a car stolen that you left outside your house with the keys in the ignition. Is it wrong? Absolutely, it's wrong - theft, even government sanctioned theft, is wrong in every instance.

However, there is a high degree of truth in the "What were you thinking!!??" meme as well. Have there not been sufficient abuses of nude pictures and sex tapes being "stolen" and broadcast across the web to make the point clear by now? And really, who in their right mind stores such personal and sensitive material in the "cloud" to begin with?

Now certainly we should all be able to leave the keys in the ignition of our cars overnight, and the doors to our homes unlocked while we are absent in some sort of utopian world that doesn't, and can't, exist. However, this is the real world we are talking about and anyone who stores nude photos and sex tapes of themselves in the "cloud" really shouldn't be surprised when their images fall like rain out of the "cloud". What has always been true remains so today - locks only keep out honest people.

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02 Sep 2014 18:50 #3 by LOL
I posted my naked pics on Icloud today and nobody downloaded em. Dang! SOBs
And what about poor old Anthony Weiner! Bwahahahaaha www.anthonyweiner.com/
LOL


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02 Sep 2014 19:11 #4 by Reverend Revelant
So... if we talk about how idiotic it was of these celebrities to use weak passwords instead, would that be very close to the ways we talk about rape?

Or can't talk about personal responsibilities at all?

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04 Sep 2014 16:14 - 04 Sep 2014 16:15 #5 by homeagain
Personal responsibility is OBSOLETE.(get with the program, it's ALWAYS the other person's fault)..IF
you post personal pieces of yourself on an electronic device your PRIVACY ends when you hit the button.

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04 Sep 2014 21:26 #6 by FredHayek
Sorry. I am not feeling any sympathy for these celebrities. It is the price of fame. And celebrities in the past have faked hacks to get free publicity. Besides in America today no one can expect real privacy.

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11 Sep 2014 09:28 #7 by ScienceChic
So what if it wasn't weak passwords?

How I Hacked My Own iCloud Account, for Just $200
By Christina Warren

Over the course of the last few days, I've written a number of articles related to the celebrity photo thefts that surfaced Sunday. Many of those posts have focused on how safe — or unsafe — various cloud service providers are.

On Tuesday, while doing research into the origins of these thefts and the culture around them, I kept coming across references to Elcomsoft Phone Password Breaker, a piece of software colloquially known as EPPB in various underground communities.

EPPB is a program that makes it possible for a user to download iCloud backups from Apple's iCloud servers onto a computer. Once there, the backups can be scoured for information including camera rolls, messages, email attachments and more.

In essence, the app reverse-engineers Apple's "restore iOS backup" functionality, only instead of downloading the backed up data to a physical device, it downloads it to the cloud.

The application, which costs between $79.99 and $400 depending on the version, can also be used to retrieve backups from Windows Live (now OneDrive) and to unlock access to BlackBerry, BlackBerry 10 and iOS backups.

Perusing through various image boards on 4Chan and AnonIB, it's clear that EPPB is the tool of choice for most individuals involved in the types of iCloud "rips" as they are known, that are believed to be at the center of the celebrity photo thefts.

EPPB even promises to let users access iCloud backups without a password. Yes, there are caveats, but that promise was intriguing.

Curious (and a bit concerned), I decided to figure out how this software works and try to theorize just how easy it would be for anyone to do their part to break into an iCloud account. My initial target was myself, though I soon found that it would be remarkably easy to use this type of software to access the iCloud backups of my colleagues, my spouse and many of my family members.

For just $200, and a little bit of luck, I was able to successfully crack my own iCloud password and use EPPB to download my entire iCloud backup from my iPhone. For $400, I could have successfully pulled in my iCloud data without a password and with less than 60 seconds of access to a Mac or Windows computer where I was logged into iCloud.

She goes into great detail on how she did this, if you want to read more (yes, I quoted quite a bit above, but it's still less than Fair Use calls for).

Since when is violating someone's privacy, whether they were smart about it or not, license to blame/condemn them for a crime being perpetrated against them? Yes, people need to be prudent and reduce risk, but what strikes me is that what I see is the majority of comments fall on the side of blaming the victims rather than the perpetrators/law-breakers. We talk about responsibility, but why don't we focus on the responsibility of the law-breaker to not make that choice in the first place? Who is more at fault? Are we really holding people accountable for their actions in the best possible way if, as a society, we focus on the victim "screwing up" than the a-hole taking advantage/breaking the law?

And no matter how "random" you think that string of characters that you think you just put together for a password is, chances are it's not really...(just fyi for your own password creations - make one up, then modify that in a way you normally wouldn't)
How Understanding Randomness Will Give You Mind-Reading Powers
Science writer William Poundstone gives practical advice on how to outwit just about anybody.
—By Indre Viskontas
| Fri Sep. 5, 2014

One night, Rhine met with Eugene Francis McDonald Jr., the CEO of the Zenith Radio Company. McDonald offered up his technology for what promised to be the largest and most impressive test of ESP yet: a nationwide experiment showing that telepathy is real.

"The idea was that they would have a bunch of people in a radio studio, and they would try to transmit their thoughts to the nationwide radio audience," explains science writer William Poundstone, author of the book Rock Breaks Scissors, on this week's Inquiring Minds podcast. "And then people at home could write down what they think they received and send that in, and scientists would look at it and decide if they had shown ESP or not."

The first few broadcasts were a dramatic success. Most listeners were correct in their guesses of what the "senders" in a radio station in Chicago were thinking.

But while it wasn't a coincidence, a young psychologist named Louis D. Goodfellow figured out that the experiment wasn't really measuring telepathy. Rather, it was demonstrating something far more interesting about human nature: our inability to behave randomly. In his own laboratory experiments, Goodfellow found that his subjects preferred certain types of sequences when they're trying to come up with random ones.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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11 Sep 2014 14:47 #8 by PrintSmith

ScienceChic wrote: So what if it wasn't weak passwords?

Since when is violating someone's privacy, whether they were smart about it or not, license to blame/condemn them for a crime being perpetrated against them? Yes, people need to be prudent and reduce risk, but what strikes me is that what I see is the majority of comments fall on the side of blaming the victims rather than the perpetrators/law-breakers. We talk about responsibility, but why don't we focus on the responsibility of the law-breaker to not make that choice in the first place? Who is more at fault? Are we really holding people accountable for their actions in the best possible way if, as a society, we focus on the victim "screwing up" than the a-hole taking advantage/breaking the law?

You've heard of "huffer" laws, right? You know, the ones that make it a violation of the law to leave your vehicle running while it is unattended? That's a little like blaming the person whose car was stolen for making it easier for a car thief to steal their car, isn't it?

And let's be very clear about something. No one is blaming the victim for the criminal acts of someone else that I can see. What I do see is a proper recognition that if one engages is risky behavior then they should not be all that surprised when those risks catch up to them. It's tragic that a skydiver has died as a result of a parachute failure, but they are the ones who chose to jump out of a perfectly good airplane, right? It's horrifying that a child is trapped inside of a stolen vehicle, but whoever was responsible for the child is the one who left them unattended in the car with the keys in the ignition, right? Same reasoning applies in this instance. It's truly horrible that a popular, beautiful, starlet's nude photos of herself were hacked from her "cloud" account, but is it truly reasonable to believe that "cloud" accounts are 100% secure to begin with?

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12 Sep 2014 15:45 #9 by ScienceChic
Sorry, I should've been a little more clear. I didn't necessarily mean about comments here blaming the victim, I mean the news stories from "out there" that I've been reading, and the comments from readers below them. And yes, I have seen a majority of comments blaming the victim and not even once mentioning the perpetrator(s).

We don't disagree that people need to reduce risk, and should take some measure of responsibility for that, my point is that I am seeing a disturbing trend more toward blaming the victim than the a-holes who broke the law. I just think that societal-level perspective is totally warped.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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12 Sep 2014 16:19 #10 by Photo-fish
P.S.
I think you meant "Puffer Laws".
"Huffer Laws" were written to keep intoxicative inhalants behind sealed cabinets so that kids could not buy them and get cheap highs.

There is also Huffer's Law (or Blazers Law) Not you Bob
When smoking a joint in front of a random house, the owners of that house (and only that house), will always arrive mid session to either:

a) park the car in the driveway
b) come out to walk the dog
c) water the lawn at 2am

thereby disturbing the smoking and thus creating more paranoia than there would have been.

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