Ways We Talk About Hacked Stolen Photos SImilar to Discussions on Rape

ScienceChic wrote: Sorry, I should've been a little more clear. I didn't necessarily mean about comments here blaming the victim, I mean the news stories from "out there" that I've been reading, and the comments from readers below them. And yes, I have seen a majority of comments blaming the victim and not even once mentioning the perpetrator(s).

We don't disagree that people need to reduce risk, and should take some measure of responsibility for that, my point is that I am seeing a disturbing trend more toward blaming the victim than the a-holes who broke the law. I just think that societal-level perspective is totally warped.

I might agree with you about societal level perspectives being warped, but not in the way that you meant it. I agree that Baltimore had the right to cancel his contract in the wake of his behavior, but in this instance, this one particular instance, I don't view the woman as a "victim".

We have, enshrined in our laws and our society, the notion of "fighting words", verbal and physical actions which essentially justify a physical response to them. Spitting on someone else is so disrespectful that it falls into that category. What would your husband's response be if I were to spit in his face . . . and why would anyone expect him to act differently if it was you instead of me that spat in his face? If anything, it would be more disrespectful for you to do that than me, wouldn't it? When you spit at someone you are doing so, essentially, to start a physical altercation with that person, it is a physical assault. And last I looked anyway, I am allowed to finish any fight someone else starts.

PrintSmith wrote:

ScienceChic wrote: Sorry, I should've been a little more clear. I didn't necessarily mean about comments here blaming the victim, I mean the news stories from "out there" that I've been reading, and the comments from readers below them. And yes, I have seen a majority of comments blaming the victim and not even once mentioning the perpetrator(s).

We don't disagree that people need to reduce risk, and should take some measure of responsibility for that, my point is that I am seeing a disturbing trend more toward blaming the victim than the a-holes who broke the law. I just think that societal-level perspective is totally warped.

I might agree with you about societal level perspectives being warped, but not in the way that you meant it. I agree that Baltimore had the right to cancel his contract in the wake of his behavior, but in this instance, this one particular instance, I don't view the woman as a "victim".

We have, enshrined in our laws and our society, the notion of "fighting words", verbal and physical actions which essentially justify a physical response to them. Spitting on someone else is so disrespectful that it falls into that category. What would your husband's response be if I were to spit in his face . . . and why would anyone expect him to act differently if it was you instead of me that spat in his face? If anything, it would be more disrespectful for you to do that than me, wouldn't it? When you spit at someone you are doing so, essentially, to start a physical altercation with that person, it is a physical assault. And last I looked anyway, I am allowed to finish any fight someone else starts.

Sorry to continue this off topic diversion, but had to say something. I'm not a football player, but I am 6'5, 245lbs and probably capable of beating to death most of the women I've ever known. With that knowledge comes a responsiblity of controlling my emotions, just like I would do if carrying a firearm. I can't think of any situation where I would ever punch a woman unless I felt that her attack was likely to injury me enough that I could not continue to hold her off. Getting spit on or even hit by a woman may be offense or even a little painful, but if I know my overwhelming size and strength can prevent any REAL threat, I would be wrong to use overwhelming force. I'm sure there are situations where smaller men get beat up by bigger women, but that's not the case here, not even close.

Nor can I, but neither can I envision posting nude photos of myself, or anyone else for that matter, into the "cloud" and expecting that they were secure there. Heck, I wouldn't think a nude photo of me in the hands of anyone else, or anywhere else, was secure. Why in the world would any rational person think that such images, stored on some random server in some random state or country, would be secure? Heck, the IT folks can't even keep PIN numbers under wraps and we think that nude images are going to be exempted somehow?

PrintSmith wrote: Nor can I, but neither can I envision posting nude photos of myself, or anyone else for that matter, into the "cloud" and expecting that they were secure there. Heck, I wouldn't think a nude photo of me in the hands of anyone else, or anywhere else, was secure. Why in the world would any rational person think that such images, stored on some random server in some random state or country, would be secure? Heck, the IT folks can't even keep PIN numbers under wraps and we think that nude images are going to be exempted somehow?

I agree with the photo thing, but I just had a problem with the "I am allowed to finish any fight someone else starts" thing. It depends on who the someone is and how you plan on ended the fight.

Only when one seeks to discriminate based on gender is that true. If I, male, 5'8" and 170 lbs, spat in your face, slapped you, and then charged at you in an enclosed space, would anyone care that you cleaned my clock with a left hook? Would the homosexual who was the first open homosexual drafted into the NFL be treated the way Rice is being treated if he hit his partner the way Rice hit his wife? Somehow I'm thinking that in both instances there would be much less ado about the incident than we are seeing with Rice.

Well PS, I don't think we're going to find any agreement on this one. I see a big difference in hitting a man vs hitting a woman. I just can't imagine any NFL player, even a kicker, who would have to resort to a left hook because he feared for his safety from an unarmed woman. There are better ways to end a fight when you know the "threat" can not harm you in any significant way. A man that would punch a woman in the face is no man imo.

Rick wrote: Well PS, I don't think we're going to find any agreement on this one. I see a big difference in hitting a man vs hitting a woman. I just can't imagine any NFL player, even a kicker, who would have to resort to a left hook because he feared for his safety from an unarmed woman. There are better ways to end a fight when you know the "threat" can not harm you in any significant way. A man that would punch a woman in the face is no man imo.

THANK YOU RICK...let's be VERY clear ..this man COLD-COCKED HER UNCONSCIOUS,not
a slap to the face or push to her body....and THEN dragged her out of the elevator and left her prone.

And I agree with that 100% by the way, but that is because both you and I discriminate on the basis of gender, which society and laws say shouldn't be done. Now I want you to apply that same concept to the theft of nude images stored in the "cloud" and see that it too is the product of the same gender discrimination that society says shouldn't exist. Would there be such outrage if the stolen photos were of Anthony Weiner or George Clooney? Are we as a society as outraged when a woman teacher has sex with a high school boy as we are when a male teacher has sex with a high school girl? Of course not, because there is a natural, and proper, built in gender discrimination that comes with being human.

And that, I suppose, is the point. The reason that there is what SC wants to label a "blame the victim" mentality in the theft of the nude pictures foolishly stored in the "cloud" is precisely because the 21st century society we are told is the ideal is one that is free from any and all forms of discrimination. What we are witnessing here is the same gender discrimination that says that women don't belong in fighter jets, or in front line combat units, or certain other occupations, isn't it?

PS...just for the record,if a female teacher has sex with a H.S. student,(either gender),it is WRONG. The
position of "teaching" is a mentor/leader/example based model. So your logic does NOT compute. JMO

ScienceChic wrote: Sorry, I should've been a little more clear. I didn't necessarily mean about comments here blaming the victim, I mean the news stories from "out there" that I've been reading, and the comments from readers below them. And yes, I have seen a majority of comments blaming the victim and not even once mentioning the perpetrator(s).

We don't disagree that people need to reduce risk, and should take some measure of responsibility for that, my point is that I am seeing a disturbing trend more toward blaming the victim than the a-holes who broke the law. I just think that societal-level perspective is totally warped.

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But it's been that way for a VERY long time...the explosion of social media in the past decade has exacerbated the issue and now it's out of control. Laws/guidelines/penalties are WOEFULLY lacking when it comes to the web. The current trend towards DRONES and privacy are the up and coming NEXT fubar....JMO