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PrintSmith wrote: What you see yourself primarily to be doesn't exist Z. There is no nation to be a citizen of, at least not here. You, I, and everyone else in the Union are citizens of but one State and it isn't the United State (singular) of America, which is what you have said you primarily see yourself to be.

You and I are citizens of Colorado. That is the only State that you are a citizen of. You have the same privileges and immunities as a citizen of Texas when you are in Texas because the State in which you are a citizen belongs to the same Union as Texas does, but you aren't a citizen of whatever area you happen to be in.

We are, indeed, a Union of States. We are united by a single currency, a single foreign policy, a single Navy and other armed forces comprised of citizens from every State in the Union. No person can be a citizen of all 50 States, even when they are outside of the Union they are a citizen of but one of the States. But when a citizen of Colorado is in Germany the federal government has been delegated the power to ensure their safety and to deal with the government of Germany should a reason for such interaction become necessary.

Their is no national citizenship Z, it's an imaginary being like the imaginary friends small children have. What you primarily believe yourself to be doesn't exist in the real world we inhabit.

Put as simply and as respectfully as I possibly can, PrintSmith, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Since you disagree, please demonstrate that you are, in fact, a citizen of all 50 States that belong to the Union.

PrintSmith wrote: Since you disagree, please demonstrate that you are, in fact, a citizen of all 50 States that belong to the Union.

Why don't you demonstrate, instead, that you are NOT, in fact, a citizen of the United States of America? Are you an illegal?

Just as I thought, there is no substance behind your fictional citizen of the nation.

PrintSmith wrote: Just as I thought, there is no substance behind your fictional citizen of the nation.

No. Just not willing to keep on playing your game.

No game Z, a debate surrounding first principles. You say you believe that you are, and that there exists, a citizen of the nation. I say that you are factually incorrect regarding that belief, just as one who believes in a flat earth is factually incorrect. Now, you can stubbornly continue to believe in a flat earth if you want to, just as you are free to stubbornly cling to the existence of a mythical national citizen all you want to, but that doesn't change the fact, the reality, that neither of them actually exist.

Are you a sovereign citizen?

In our system of government it is the citizens, not the government they institute, that is sovereign Z. If such were not the case, there would exist no inalienable rights. The people ordained the Constitution. If you read the Colorado State Constitution you will see the sovereignty of the citizens enshrined in it as well.

But that isn't what you are asking me at this point, is it. No, you have reduced yourself to attempting to link me to a fringe movement because you have no valid argument in support of your mythical belief in a national citizen.

PrintSmith wrote: In our system of government it is the citizens, not the government they institute, that is sovereign Z. If such were not the case, there would exist no inalienable rights. The people ordained the Constitution. If you read the Colorado State Constitution you will see the sovereignty of the citizens enshrined in it as well.

But that isn't what you are asking me at this point, is it. No, you have reduced yourself to attempting to link me to a fringe movement because you have no valid argument in support of your mythical belief in a national citizen.

If that is the case, that the citizens, not the government they institute, are sovereign, then the citizens are also citizens of the United States, and I'll keep with that. Your assertion I was trying to link you to a fringe movement doesn't wash. You've stated on numerous occasions you are, in fact, a sovereign citizen and have asserted citizen sovereignty. Then you've stated you are a citizen of Colorado and have no obligation whatsoever to citizens of other states. The only thing you haven't acknowledged is the fact you live in the United States of America of which Colorado is a part, albeit a state within that Republic. Why is that, exactly?

Why is it so necessary for you to misrepresent what I say in order to refute it Z? I've never said I am a sovereign citizen, I've said that the citizens are sovereign, that their rights do not emanate from the government but rather from the simple fact that they exist at all. That is what an inalienable right is Z - one that cannot be surrendered or legitimately taken from you by any act of any government.

That the citizens are sovereign, rather than their government being sovereign, has absolutely no bearing on exactly what they are citizens of. Citizenship is a matter of law. By law you cannot be a citizen of all 50 States and no single United State of America yet exists for you to be a national citizen of. You are, regardless of what you feel yourself to be, a citizen only of the State of Colorado. That is the only citizenship that exists for you to claim. You may migrate to another State and become a citizen of that State, but you will no longer be a citizen of the State of Colorado if you do that.

The next intentional misrepresentation is that I've stated I have absolutely no obligations to the citizens of the other States that belong to the Union. That allegation, too, is wholly without merit or any basis in fact. I have stated that the welfare of the individual citizens of States foreign to my own is a matter for the government of that State, not the federal one and not the government of this State, but that is quite different from the allegation you are attempting to make.

Lastly, how can I be a citizen of the State of Colorado, reside within the State in which I am a citizen and not live within the Union? That would be quite a feat if it were possible.