House Republicans forbid scientists from advising EPA on their own research

12 Jan 2015 17:05 #1 by ScienceChic
House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research
The "reform" measure makes room for industry-funded experts on the EPA's advisory board
Lindsay Abrams
Nov 19, 2014

I am seriously starting to feel ashamed that I was ever registered as a Republican. Before those of you who want to jump my sh** do so, let me reiterate that I am just as disgusted at Democrats who pander to industry & am now proudly Unaffiliated with neither for that very reason. If you are an elected official and your primary concern is NOT the health & wellbeing of The People who elected you and the economy and environmental health of this nation (which are tied together believe it or not), then your ass should not be representing us. If you are so afraid of scientific data from those who do the science, and so beholden to your corporate interests, that you will silence their input for greed, you disgust me and I will do what I can to bring this to light and stop this. Business is good for our continued success as a nation; unregulated, unchecked business doing whatever the hell it wants and the environmental consequences of its actions bedamned has historically ended badly for the public. Have we not learned from our past mistakes? How has it gotten to this point that our government thinks it's okay to silence those who look out for the public's interest? If knowledge is to be stifled, we are no better than someone like N Korea's regime who blocks access to the Internet to keep its citizens uneducated and blindly, stupidly following along. This just pisses me off.

If you want to argue with me that the EPA is evil and out to destroy business with ridiculous demands, save it. I do not, and will not agree. The EPA is there to protect the public's interest and health, and our environment. Every time regulations have been passed corporations have pissed and moaned that it's burdensome, yet our economy is thriving, those businesses who were healthy and run well adapted and survived, those who weren't didn't and that's the nature of business, and we don't have sh** like acid rain still happening. But we do have increasing cancer, autism, metabolic disorders, etc and a whole host of nasty sh** we still breathe, eat, and drink. The EPA can't do its job properly if it's advised by corporate shills with vested interests in less regulation, rather than by publicly funded independent scientists. Remove their input and you are exposing your corporate corruption reps, and you do not deserve to represent Us.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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12 Jan 2015 17:28 #2 by LOL
F-ng A Right SC! You go! SC for EPA advisory board. LOL :)


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12 Jan 2015 18:49 #3 by ScienceChic
LOL! I'm not qualified, but thanks! :P

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13 Jan 2015 08:41 #4 by Freezeman
I don't understand how this works. "publicly funded independent scientists"
How can they be independent and not depend on public funding? I think this is where some of the trouble begins.
Maybe it's just me yet I really don't have much faith in any corporation or our Government when it comes to handling my funds.

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13 Jan 2015 09:03 #5 by Rick

Freezeman wrote: I don't understand how this works. "publicly funded independent scientists"
How can they be independent and not depend on public funding? I think this is where some of the trouble begins.
Maybe it's just me yet I really don't have much faith in any corporation or our Government when it comes to handling my funds.

Oh come on man, you know the people in Washington are much smarter than you and know best how to spend your money. I'm sure there's no chance that the EPA is political, not even a smidgen.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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13 Jan 2015 11:29 #6 by ScienceChic
They are independent because the government doesn't tell them what to research, the scientists submit their proposals and it is peer-reviewed based on merit and likelihood of success, and ranked accordingly. Only the top 10% of grants, sometimes less depending upon which NIH Institute is funding, are awarded so it's the cream of the crop based on what other scientists in that same field say - not gov't officials, not accountants, not the EPA, not Joe Schmoe down the block). They receive that grant payment every year for 5 years (or 3 years, depending upon the type of grant) automatically. Those scientists do their research without government interference, and are paid with public taxpayer dollars - they are beholden to the public, not political whim or influence (not to say that there isn't any at all, because look at the amount of breast cancer funding compared to how prevalent it is in the population - dollars are not matched according to the threat they pose the public overall, but there isn't daily or direct meddling once grants are awarded).

If they are productive, meet the goals they state in their proposals, publish, and advance their research significantly over 5 years so that they have new questions to answer and further their research, they get to do it all over again.

If their research bears light on environmental impacts and they present those findings to the EPA, it's from money that was paid by Us, not by the EPA. That makes them independent. They do not receive any personal benefit to the results of their research whether the EPA takes into account their findings or not - they have no financial stake in the game, unlike industry experts who have an agenda - less regulations for their companies so they can make more money, whether it harms the environment or not.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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13 Jan 2015 15:18 #7 by Rick
So do you believe the EPA is independent and not influenced to act based on what an administration thinks is best for it's supporters? I think I'd feel much better about the EPA if they were not influenced by politics... same for the IRS, HHS, Dept of Ed., etc..

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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14 Jan 2015 09:37 - 14 Jan 2015 09:39 #8 by OmniScience
I'd like to see the EPA reeled in to some degree. This is a bloated government agency that is constantly over-reaching to justify its existence. SC, are you familiar with what the EPA forced the Mountain Water and Sanitation District to do regarding radon and water quality? Are you familiar with the LT2 controversies? Or the attempts by the EPA to classify storm water runoff as a pollutant and the subsequent Accotink Creek SCOTUS ruling? Do you remember the Mercury emissions controversy where the EPA suppressed the Harvard study, which the EPA themselves commissioned, because it contradicted their agenda? Finally, The Union of Concerned Scientists stated that 50% of EPA scientists who responded to their integrity inquiry said that they had experienced "political interference" in their work.

Once again you present scientists as an altruistic, unified body of individuals beyond reproach. Scientists or scientific research bodies which are awarded large amounts of taxpayer dollars to provide data that directly impacts the lives of citizens need as much oversight as any other entity. Scientists and scientific efforts are nowhere near perfect and are as vulnerable to financial influences and corruption as anyone else.

The EPA can and does perform work that is absolutely necessary for addressing environmental issues. But, in recent years this agency has proven by its own actions that it needs more oversight and transparency. If 1422 accomplishes that then I fully support it.

Finally, I have no idea why someone who claims to be a registered republican would get wound up about a poorly written article from SALON of all places. "Attacking Science" - No bias there.

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14 Jan 2015 16:01 #9 by navycpo7
I went to the actual bill and read it, not that i am even close to being an expert on it, but what I read I take it a little different than what you did, but like you I am unafilliated,

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16 Jan 2015 09:52 #10 by PrintSmith
I'm sorry, but I don't see the exaggerated position of Salon, or the Democrats, supported by the opinion piece you linked to SC. What I do see is the House saying if you have done the research you may not participate in the discussions regarding what that research establishes. Nor do I see the bill as preventing other researchers from chiming in and advising the EPA, only the individual or group who was the recipient of the grant and charged with conducting the research.

That, and the opinion was written in November of 2014, which means that the bill died with the end of the 113th Congress earlier this month. It might get reintroduced in the 114th Congress, it might not, but the bill you are citing has no current relevance or ability to alter the status quo.

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