Double-standard making the poor prove they’re worthy of government benefits

08 Apr 2015 22:14 #1 by ScienceChic
So for the 12-15 states that require drug testing of welfare recipients, do they also require drug testing for anyone on the government payroll? Farmers on subsidies, politicians, researchers, any company that's received a government loan, and so on? What happens if a politician tests positive? Should they lose their job? Hmm, then they might have to go on welfare, where they get screened again. Then what? Do they lose their benefits and starve?

Is this really what we've come to? Doesn't seem very Christ-like to me...

The double-standard of making the poor prove they’re worthy of government benefits
By Emily Badger
April 7, 2015

Poverty looks pretty great if you're not living in it. The government gives you free money to spend on steak and lobster, on tattoos and spa days, on — why not? — cruise vacations and psychic visits.

Enough serious-minded people seem to think this is what the poor actually buy with their meager aid that we've now seen a raft of bills and proposed state laws to nudge them away from so much excess.

But the logic behind the proposals is problematic in at least three, really big ways.

The first is economic: There's virtually no evidence that the poor actually spend their money this way.
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The second issue with these laws is a moral one: We rarely make similar demands of other recipients of government aid. We don't drug-test farmers who receive agriculture subsidies (lest they think about plowing while high!). We don't require Pell Grant recipients to prove that they're pursuing a degree that will get them a real job one day (sorry, no poetry!). We don't require wealthy families who cash in on the home mortgage interest deduction to prove that they don't use their homes as brothels (because surely someone out there does this). The strings that we attach to government aid are attached uniquely for the poor.

That leads us to the third problem, which is a political one. Many, many Americans who do receive these other kinds of government benefits — farm subsidies, student loans, mortgage tax breaks — don't recognize that, like the poor, they get something from government, too.



When I first heard about this, my initial reaction, and the one that remains is, why is it that the party that proclaims to want smaller government has a representative who is pushing for increased bureaucracy? Why are they, who want government to stay out of people's personal lives, dictating what they can spend their meager money on?

If someone is on food stamps and blows it all on one filet mignon, they're going to learn when they go hungry the rest of the week. Nevermind that there's no evidence to support the idea that welfare recipients have spending habits such as this.

It boggles the mind. Were we always this judgmental as a species, or have we turned into bigger hypocritical assholes recently?
The rush to humiliate the poor
By Dana Milbank Opinion writer
April 7

Rick Brattin, a young Republican state representative in Missouri, has come up with an innovative new way to humiliate the poor in his state. Call it the surf-and-turf law .

Brattin has introduced House Bill 813 , making it illegal for food-stamp recipients to use their benefits “to purchase cookies, chips, energy drinks, soft drinks, seafood, or steak.”


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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08 Apr 2015 23:23 #2 by Mary Scott
Is this really what we've come to? Doesn't seem very Christ-like to me...

WWMD

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09 Apr 2015 03:37 #3 by HEARTLESS
This reminds me of when a parent requires a son or daughter to maintain a certain GPA to justify paying for a college education. Oh the horror! Children should revolt and sue parents. :bait:

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09 Apr 2015 03:59 - 09 Apr 2015 04:38 #4 by HEARTLESS
If unchecked our government might want to only pay benefits to American citizens. Imagine a world where limited resources are only used for that. :??? Try to breath calmly and think of butterflies and flowers.


Think of Rod Serling's voice when reading the above comments. :ohmy:

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09 Apr 2015 06:51 - 09 Apr 2015 06:52 #5 by Nobody that matters

ScienceChic wrote: So for the 12-15 states that require drug testing of welfare recipients, do they also require drug testing for anyone on the government payroll?

I hope so.

ScienceChic wrote: Farmers on subsidies, politicians, researchers, any company that's received a government loan, and so on?

That's the way it should be.

ScienceChic wrote: What happens if a politician tests positive? Should they lose their job?

Immediate dismissal and loss of any future benefits.

ScienceChic wrote: Hmm, then they might have to go on welfare, where they get screened again. Then what? Do they lose their benefits and starve?

Is this really what we've come to? Doesn't seem very Christ-like to me...

God helps those that help themselves.

"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln

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09 Apr 2015 07:08 #6 by FredHayek
I am subject to random drug tests from my employer.

Some people abuse the system so taxpayers would like to see them punished. In a perfect world, you would catch the cheaters and have more money to give to the people who really need it. In actuality, it is just cheaper to pay everyone. :jacuzzi:

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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09 Apr 2015 07:55 #7 by intheaspens

FredHayek wrote: In a perfect world, you would catch the cheaters and have more money to give to the people who really need it


In a perfect world the government would not be in the business of subsidizing anyone. That would be done by local folks in local charities who know who in their communities are truly in need and who are scammers.

In a perfect world the government would not take money form our pockets at the point of a gun to "redistribute the wealth".

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09 Apr 2015 09:20 #8 by Rick
People who are employed (working for their income) should not complain when their employer sets certain anti-drug standards... don't like it, find a different job. People who receive money for not working should also not complain when asked to take a drug test because they are receiving HELP from the people who do work. The people who do work are investing in the people who don't, and they expect that their investment should one day pay off. If I ever needed taxpayer help, I would be happy to take a drug test which would also help to motivate me into getting back on my feet and get off assistance. If there is no scrutiny of how I spend that free money, I could see a scenario where my drug use could increase as my motivation decreases. Seems like common sense.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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09 Apr 2015 14:56 #9 by PrintSmith

ScienceChic wrote: So for the 12-15 states that require drug testing of welfare recipients, do they also require drug testing for anyone on the government payroll? Farmers on subsidies, politicians, researchers, any company that's received a government loan, and so on? What happens if a politician tests positive? Should they lose their job? Hmm, then they might have to go on welfare, where they get screened again. Then what? Do they lose their benefits and starve?

Is this really what we've come to? Doesn't seem very Christ-like to me...

Do you really want laws based on Christ dictating the look of our society SC?

But, truthfully, not even Christ accepted people as they were. He didn't go amongst the prostitutes and sinners to party with them after all, he went into their midst to save them from themselves and their own poor decisions that were separating them from God. Not too unlike a policy designed to identify those on public assistance who are making poor decisions and trying to help them better their lives. I guess if the welfare workers were blessed with Christ's ability to see into the hearts of others such policies might not be necessary, but unfortunately, they aren't so other methods have to be employed to accomplish that goal.

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