Finally.....Common Sense Gun Control

28 Aug 2016 08:18 - 28 Aug 2016 14:39 #1 by Arlen
SOLUTION TO GUN CONTROL

Obama missed the solution!!!!


In 1865, a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States .

In 1881, a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States - who later died from the wound.

In 1963, a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F.
Kennedy, President of the United States.

In 1975, a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.

In 1981, a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States .

In 1984, James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

In 1986, Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

In 1990, James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

In 1991, George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen , TX .

In 1995, James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

In 1999, Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

In 2001, a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.

In 2003, Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.

In 2010, a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.

In 2011, a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

In 2012, Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis .

As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.

Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.

Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders.


SOLUTION:

It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.
We don't need gun control, we need Democrat control.

Guns don't kill people, Democrats do

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28 Aug 2016 16:15 - 28 Aug 2016 16:15 #2 by ScienceChic
:silly: Such cherry-picked and patently false claims... By that flimsy correlation, nearly all shooters and bombers are men - shouldn't we just take away all the guns and explosives from everyone with testicles, and ban them from buying more ever again?

Absolute, Undeniable, Verifiable PROOF That All Mass-Shooters Are Democrats
May 31, 2014 by M Styborski

That headline should bring in the folks on the fence and certainly grab the attention of the faithful. It is also complete bullshit.

The seed for this stupidity sprouted from right-wing radio knob Roger Hedgecock who asserted that the “five worst recent mass shootings were committed by registered Democrats.” His five consisted of Harris/Klebold (Columbine, Apr 20, 1999), Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech, Apr 16, 2007), Nidal Hasan (Ft Hood, Nov 05, 2009), James Holmes (Aurora Theater, Jul 20, 2012) and Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, Dec 14, 2012). While he acknowledged Harris and Klebold were too young to vote, he claimed, without proof, that their parents were progressive, liberal Democrats.

The events date Hedgecock’s drivel to no earlier than December 2012, following the Sandy hook shooting. Since then the “information” has circulated in e-mails, appeared verbatim on newspaper op-ed pages and been relayed by Republican politicians who can’t be bothered to do a little fact-checking.

The latest incarnation began circulating following the September 16, 2013 Washington Navy Yard shooting. In just half a day of researching this idiocy I’ve seen forum trolls advising that Eliott Rodger be added to the list, offering no more proof of his political leanings other than, “He’s from California!”

And so, in an effort to decrease stupidity across the globe, I offer this case-by-case rebuttal of the earliest and latest versions:

Original text appears first

[Fact checking is in brackets below]

GOP House Candidate Claims 99 Percent of Mass Shooters are Democrats
By Keith Brekhus on Sun, May 18th, 2014

The “mass shooters are Democrats” meme is popular on the Internet, but although widely circulated, the claims are invariably provided without a source, because to put it bluntly, they are patently false. The original claim was made by right-wing radio host Roger Hedgecock, who proclaimed, without evidence or sources, that the five worst mass shootings in U.S. History were committed by “registered Democrats”.

Of course, not a single one of the shooters mentioned has any demonstrated connection to the Democratic Party. Seung-Hui Cho was a resident alien, and therefore was not even registered to vote. Nidal Hassan was a legal resident of Virginia living in Texas. Neither state has partisan voter registration, so while it is impossible to determine how he voted if he voted, we do know that he could not register as a Democrat in either the state of Texas or Virginia. Klebold and Harris where too young to vote and while some arguments acknowledge that by arguing instead that their parents were Democrats, that claim is also unsubstantiated. The claim that Adam Lanza was a Democrat is also unsubstantiated.

The false allegation that James Holmes was a registered Democrat was based on Breitbart blogger Joel B. Pollack, who found voter registration records for a different James Holmes who was around the same age. Alex Jones’ Infowars and other right-wing websites then dutifully repeated the lie without verifying it. It was later determined that the Colorado Theater Shooter James Holmes was not registered to vote

The point Kiehne seems to miss is that most mass shootings are not committed by political partisans of either major political party. Mass killings are rarely partisan political acts although the shooters may have strong ideological motives that may include political ideas.

That last sentence is the meat of it. Mass killings are perpetrated by those with strong ideological motives, not partisan politics. They are the extremists, the ones who refuse to even consider the other side, vilify and dehumanize them until taking another's life is not only acceptable but justified. That happens on both sides of the political spectrum.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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28 Aug 2016 16:40 #3 by Arlen
Then will you also defend Republicans and Trump whenever anyone says that they are racists, sexists, xenophobes, etc?
All of that is hyperbole also, as you know.

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28 Aug 2016 17:12 #4 by ScienceChic

Arlen wrote: Then will you also defend Republicans and Trump whenever anyone says that they are racists, sexists, xenophobes, etc?

That depends on if the accusations are with or without merit. There's a whole lot of partisan rhetoric that is utterly ridiculous, and sadly, many statements that are sexist, racist, homophobic, and xenophobic made by our representatives and/or candidates.

Arlen wrote: All of that is hyperbole also, as you know.

Which part?

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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28 Aug 2016 17:59 #5 by Arlen
You know very well that all of those accusations are without merit or basis.

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28 Aug 2016 18:18 #6 by ScienceChic
I disagree, I don't believe that all of those accusations are without merit. Life is rarely measured in absolutes and very often where there's smoke, there's fire. People who say things that are sexist, racist, homophobic, etc may try to play it off as "a joke", or "I wasn't being serious when I said that", but there's often a grain (or more) of truth in there, if not at least an unconscious bias.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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31 Aug 2016 14:29 #7 by Rick

ScienceChic wrote: Life is rarely measured in absolutes .

Except for climate change. B)

It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy

George Orwell

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31 Aug 2016 15:01 - 31 Aug 2016 15:02 #8 by ScienceChic
Nope, not even that Rick. That human caused climate change is happening and has over-ridden naturally caused climate change is certain but not absolute - we have the power to mitigate (with a narrowing window) what damage we've caused. What exact effects we will see occur and when they are projected to occur is a multitude of variable certainties. If you look at the IPCC , you will see qualifications ("Likely", "Very Likely", "Virtually Certain" for example - check out page 17 in the link below) for how confident they are in the various areas of climate change research and a wide range of projections based on what we humans start doing or not.

www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg..._Chapter01_FINAL.pdf

The only absolute in life is death.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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