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I think these white supremacists/kkk dirtbags are a joke as they always have been. However, what evidence do you have that they went there to be violent? In the last 10 years, who has spawned more violence, black lives matter or the KKK? What evidence is there that these scumbags were going to commit violence absent a violent opposition?hillfarmer wrote: We can distill this down to something simple: Nazis and white supremacists are antithetical to American values. They clearly went there to create chaos and commit violence. Any attempt to justify their beliefs and actions is morally indefensible.
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I think there is as much evidence of media sources that want to fire this up in order to spawn violence. Saying that someone has a "desire" to commit violence is a whole lot different that planning on being violent. If there were no violent opposition, do you have evidence that a violent attack of any kind was planned? I doubt it. As far as propaganda goes, I think social media is far more effective, especially if the worthless media would keep the coverage of KKK demonstrators at a bare minimum... but that would not be helpful in stirring up emotions on both sides.hillfarmer wrote: There is a significant, even overwhelming, set of evidence pointing to the desire on the part of these "scumbags" to commit violence that is available in even a cursory search of the internet. They are, however, working very hard to spread the propaganda that they simply went down to Virginia to exercise their right to free speech. That claim is the very definition of disinformation.
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Based on this article, it sure sounds like they'd planned something. I'm guessing that the website they are referring to is The Daily Stormer.Rick wrote: Saying that someone has a "desire" to commit violence is a whole lot different that planning on being violent. If there were no violent opposition, do you have evidence that a violent attack of any kind was planned? I doubt it.
Violence of any kind is wrong. At the Boston demonstrations the BLM was actively taking measures to help protect the white supremacists from the crowds there.The loss of life far outweighs any fear or concern felt by me or the Jewish community during the past several weeks as we braced for this Nazi rally – but the effects of both will each linger.
On Saturday morning, I stood outside our synagogue with the armed security guard we hired after the police department refused to provide us with an officer during morning services.
Here’s what I witnessed during that time.
For half an hour, three men dressed in fatigues and armed with semi-automatic rifles stood across the street from the temple. Had they tried to enter, I don’t know what I could have done to stop them, but I couldn’t take my eyes off them, either. Perhaps the presence of our armed guard deterred them. Perhaps their presence was just a coincidence, and I’m paranoid. I don’t know.
Several times, parades of Nazis passed our building, shouting, “There's the synagogue!” followed by chants of “Seig Heil” and other anti-Semitic language. Some carried flags with swastikas and other Nazi symbols.
A guy in a white polo shirt walked by the synagogue a few times, arousing suspicion. Was he casing the building, or trying to build up courage to commit a crime? We didn’t know.
Soon, we learned that Nazi websites had posted a call to burn our synagogue. [emphasis mine] I sat with one of our rabbis and wondered whether we should go back to the temple to protect the building. What could I do if I were there? Fortunately, it was just talk – but we had already deemed such an attack within the realm of possibilities, taking the precautionary step of removing our Torahs, including a Holocaust scroll, from the premises.
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