The Debates, so far

I've personally enjoyed these debates and the post debate analyses by the communication arm of the Democrat party (95% of news media). After each of these I keep asking myself what kind of person is inspired by this group of people and how can they think any of them will be a great president. Bottom line is, only one will make it in the end and will be tasked with taking down Trump. I have a lot of liberal friends and coworkers who can't stand Trump so I rarely talk politics with them but I have confronted a few of them about which of these 10 do they really like (or more if you count the non-crazies who did not qualify for this last debate). I'm having a difficult time getting anyone to answer that question and I'm wondering, why?

Can any of you pick one of these individuals that has great attainable policies that would be an effective leader who's ideas would benefit the vast majority of Americans? My guess is you would most likely dodge and say "anyone would be better than Trump", because that's all I've heard so far from anti-Trump people I know. That's a cop-out and it just tells me that none of these candidates are universally appealing like Obama was. I see critical flaws in each and every one of them except for a couple people who were not on that stage. I think someone like Tulsi Gabbard would crush Trump because she's calm, articulate, she's not an angry old white woman, she doesn't have as many insane ideas, and she doesn't shift her positions depending on which way the REgressive winds blow. I also like Delany but he's far to logical for the left and he's just another white guy. So who is your anti-Trump champion so far?

And finally lets address the big elephant in the debate room.... not a Republican, but a real topic that effects more people directly than every other one which these have repeatedly posed to the candidates. It's a HUGE one that isn't being talked about and if you're wondering why, then you really don't understand politics at all.

The moderators have asked questions about healthcare ad nauseam and generally these's just two options.... take away all private insurance and replace with government health care or tweak the ACA that raised healthcare costs and add in a public option. Nobody has had any coherent way of explaining how any of it could be paid for but it must give the left some hope so it all just keeps getting repeated over and over. Not much talk about the opioid epidemic though which is a little strange but I think I know why.

Then there's "gun control", not crazy person control, just how to magically remove millions of guns from the hands of law abiding people in the hope that it will keep crazy people from killing innocent people. I get it, it's an effective topic for the many people on the left who fear the guns more than they fear the evil and crazy people. Now that Beto has admitted that mandatory confiscation could be a real possibility and not just a scare tactic coming from the right, I think we'll see more people adopting the Beto position as cheers from the left get louder. Carry on, I'm sure that will work great for you.

Then there's illegal immigration... pretty much everybody on that stage thinks our border security needs to be much less secure and much more open to letting everybody in at taxpayer expense, especially if they are dragging small children with them. Again, good luck with that strategy in a general election when almost half of the population is already taking some sort of government assistance (money form our paychecks). As more and more cities start seeing the negative consequences of unchecked illegal immigration, I think this will be a topic not discussed anymore when 2024 comes around.

And finally, climate change. Lots and lots of talk about the utopia we would all like to see but nobody has articulated with accurate math and proven undeniable scientific fact how this dream world could be obtained by the will of government. Certainly most of the people leading in this crusade have failed to practice what they preach, but that's another long and comical conversation I'd love to have at another time.

Figured out what the elephant in the room is yet ?(actually NOT in the room). You guessed it, it's "the economy, stupid", one of the few wise phrases ever to come from the mouth of James Carville. Why not talk about it? Why not ask what policies these candidates would promote in order to deliver more prosperity with rising paychecks and more job security? After all, none of their pie in the sky bucket lists would be possible without a strong growing economy... am I wrong? As we all know, in the eyes of the left, everything Trump does on a daily basis is wrong... usually 180 degrees wrong. Why not press these brilliant economic minds on raising taxes and ramping up regulations on job creators? Why not at least ask them how they would take on economic policies different than Trump? Every one of these people completely dodged the question about China, basically just saying Trump is doing it wrong but none saying how they would do it better... just tells me they either don't have any ideas and/or don't think China is a big enough problem to waste any time on.

What really matter to Americans more than their personal finances and why is this topic being ignored? I know why, do you?

read MY REPLY IN THE Impeachment thread...... believe or not YOU and I agree on many points.

NOW..... what about zero INTEREST RATES? As I remember. you were not fond of the concept, YET the king is continuing to court lower and lower interest rates......down to ZERO,,, WHAT is
that theory? It tells me the economy is is DEEP SHIT........OF COURSE, JMO.

Not sure what interest rates have to do with this thread...

You have to pick someone other than Trump H.A., if you had to pick today, which of these fine candidates would make American lives better?

Rick wrote: Not sure what interest rates have to do with this thread...

You have to pick someone other than Trump H.A., if you had to pick today, which of these fine candidates would make American lives better?

I have already stated.....I have not watched the debates....NONE OF THEM.......when the field
becomes solid and the contenders have all fallen away, THEN I will do the research on the
REMAINING and register my vote in 2020.

Believe it or not I actually agree with you SC, Klobuchar is the best choice on that stage. The problem is that she isn't going to stand a chance and may as well run as an independent. The energy is with the people offering everything for free and their anti-growth policies that would wreck the economy in weeks. Biden is on top only because he was Obama's VP, not because he has any good ideas. The left is so fixated on beating Trump and most of the sane ones know these socialists and panderers won't have a chance in the general.

I really don't understand why Klobuchar isn't more popular with Democrats, especially since she is a woman and way more likable than Hillary has ever been. I still think Tulsi Gabbard would have the easiest road to beat Trump... she's a woman, she's young, attractive, a Samoan American, a Hindu, she speaks well, and she isn't insane. Seems like a female version of Obama with more experience. For some reason the DNC doesn't like her or Klobuchar much which I don't understand.

So you're probably going to have to vote for the fake Native American woman who's itching to drop a bomb on this economy. God help us.

By the way SC, I'd like to apologize once again for any recent posts that were less than cordial. You seem to be one of the of the only people on this board willing to pick a candidate that you'd like to see run against Trump. I may rarely agree with you but I do respect people who are unafraid of making a stand. I can't even get my parents to tell me who they would vote for at this point because they just want to pick the winner and it's too soon to know who will hang themselves next (like Beto just did).

Anyway, it should be interesting and hopefully Amy or Tulsi will get some needed traction soon. If Trump loses, it better be to someone who is real and won't destroy our country.

Senator Elizabeth Warren is getting some pushback from her planned wealth tax. Seems wealth Democrat donors don't like have their property seized to pay for her Medicare For All and other promised spending. They have told her to not expect more donations and support. They might even find themselves supporting Donald Trump financially or perhaps sitting out the 2020 election.
Her campaign seems shocked by this. They are willing to buy votes by promising to pay off voter's college debts, but are shocked to discover that they can also lose votes by promising to seize assets of the rich liberal elites.

FredHayek wrote: Senator Elizabeth Warren is getting some pushback from her planned wealth tax. Seems wealth Democrat donors don't like have their property seized to pay for her Medicare For All and other promised spending. They have told her to not expect more donations and support...

LINK, F**D.

homeagain wrote: read MY REPLY IN THE Impeachment thread...... believe or not YOU and I agree on many points.

NOW..... what about zero INTEREST RATES? As I remember. you were not fond of the concept, YET the king is continuing to court lower and lower interest rates......down to ZERO,,, WHAT is
that theory? It tells me the economy is is DEEP SHIT........OF COURSE, JMO.

"It's the economy,stupid".......interest rates are the MAJOR concern.....ZERO rates, equates to
''we are praying this is the answer,because we DO NOT have another game plan.....it's NOT
going over so well around the globe and guess what...it will NOT do so great here...the end of Q
3 is just days away......Q3 impeachment proceedings,economic uneasiness(fubar) AND the
WARNINGS of serious world conflict.......THOSE were statements I made at the start of Q2..

As to WHO would I select as a competent candidate.....as an INDEPENDENT, I am not
impressed with the selection.....as you pointed out, AND I have stated before.....NO ONE has a
wise and workable plan.....I am undecided,along with the rest of my constituents. I was very
interested in SETH MOULTON....that was not to be... AGAIN, if Nikki Hailley was on the list,THAT would be a serious consideration.