California Republican Party Admits It Placed Misleading Ballot Boxes Around CA

13 Oct 2020 10:25 #1 by ScienceChic
Is ballot harvesting good or bad? Is this misleading voters, making these drop boxes look official and refusing to stop when warned, or to mark them clearly as unofficial collection points? Why can't they just help people locate official drop boxes and encourage them to vote with signage in each of these locations? It seems fraught having boxes that aren't safely secured to each spot (they didn't mention in the story that they were chaining them down or putting cameras on them, as official drop boxes are).

California Republican Party Admits It Placed Misleading Ballot Boxes Around State
Government officials say the receptacles are illegal and could lead to voter fraud, but the party says it will continue the practice.
By Glenn Thrush and Jennifer Medina, NY Times | Oct. 12, 2020

The California Republican Party has admitted responsibility for placing more than 50 deceptively labeled “official” drop boxes for mail-in ballots in Los Angeles, Fresno and Orange Counties — an action that state officials said was illegal and could lead to voter fraud.

On Monday, California’s secretary of state, Alex Padilla, and Attorney General Xavier Becerra sent a cease-and-desist order to the state- and county-level Republican parties, ordering them to remove the boxes. They also urged voters who might have unknowingly dropped off their ballots in the receptacles to sign up with the state’s voter tracking website to ensure their vote is counted.

“Misleading voters is wrong regardless of who is doing it,” Mr. Padilla said in a conference call with reporters, adding that the boxes “are not permitted by state law.”

Hector Barajas, a spokesman for the California Republican Party, said the party would continue to distribute the boxes, without adding any label identifying them explicitly as Republican ballot drops.


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13 Oct 2020 10:50 #2 by Pony Soldier
Ballot harvesting should be illegal period. Party doesn’t matter, it invalidates the election.

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13 Oct 2020 18:59 #3 by Rick

Pony Soldier wrote: Ballot harvesting should be illegal period. Party doesn’t matter, it invalidates the election.

Agree, but this would never be a concern for the left if Republicans didn't do it. It's a lot like how they count every statement Trump makes that they say is a lie but refuse to acknowledge all

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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13 Oct 2020 18:59 #4 by Rick

Pony Soldier wrote: Ballot harvesting should be illegal period. Party doesn’t matter, it invalidates the election.

Agree, but this would never be a concern for the left if Republicans didn't do it. It's a lot like how they count every statement Trump makes that they say is a lie but refuse to acknowledge all the lies being spewed from the mouths of Harris/Biden.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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14 Oct 2020 07:54 #5 by koobookie

Rick wrote:

Pony Soldier wrote: Ballot harvesting should be illegal period. Party doesn’t matter, it invalidates the election.

Agree, but this would never be a concern for the left if Republicans didn't do it. It's a lot like how they count every statement Trump makes that they say is a lie but refuse to acknowledge all the lies being spewed from the mouths of Harris/Biden.


I'm glad you agree that the Republicans in California are cheating.

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14 Oct 2020 08:26 #6 by FredHayek
LOL! If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying! But do you really think the masterminds behind this operation would open up each envelope and look at the ballot before delivering them to the right office? Seems like a lot of work in a state that the GOP has little power.

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14 Oct 2020 14:20 #7 by koobookie

FredHayek wrote: LOL! If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying! But do you really think the masterminds behind this operation would open up each envelope and look at the ballot before delivering them to the right office? Seems like a lot of work in a state that the GOP has little power.


Ask yourself, what was the purpose of the GOP collecting ballots? Perhaps they were trying to show how easy it is to fool people? Perhaps they were trying to cast doubt on the process? Perhaps they were trying to collect and discard Democratic ballots?

Regardless, what they were doing is illegal. An investigation should be started and - oh wait, here it comes - law and order must be restored! Curious how the "Party of Law & Order" broke the law here.

Let me ask you, Fred, do you think this is an ethical activity, setting up an unofficial ballot dropbox? Your LOL tells me you don't think this is serious, that cheating is to be expected and perhaps encouraged.

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15 Oct 2020 12:50 #8 by koobookie
California GOP will not comply with the Secretary of State to stop unofficial ballot boxes.

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15 Oct 2020 18:29 #9 by FredHayek
As long as they don't tamper with the ballots and deliver them all, I don't think they have caused much harm.

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16 Oct 2020 07:13 #10 by Rick

koobookie wrote:

Rick wrote:

Pony Soldier wrote: Ballot harvesting should be illegal period. Party doesn’t matter, it invalidates the election.

Agree, but this would never be a concern for the left if Republicans didn't do it. It's a lot like how they count every statement Trump makes that they say is a lie but refuse to acknowledge all the lies being spewed from the mouths of Harris/Biden.


I'm glad you agree that the Republicans in California are cheating.

Yet you miss the whole point. The point is that our elections should be set up in a way that would make cheating nearly impossible. For years the left has been preaching to us that this is no voter fraud, which is obviously a false assertion.

Voter verification should be at least as stringent as when I go to Kaiser for a checkup... I can't ask them to trust my word, I have to show proof of who I am.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
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