NATO leaders declare China a global security challenge

17 Jun 2021 10:04 #11 by FredHayek
Is China a superpower right now? Economically they are and really should be part of the G8. Militarily? That is still to be determined. They have a large army and navy that hasn't been challenged in a long time, especially China's navy. There is no tradition of them being able to project power outside of their region. The most they have been tested were some encounters with pirates.

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17 Jun 2021 12:07 #12 by Wayne Harrison
Their military power is not "still to be determined," Fred. It has been determined for some time.

China has the strongest military force in the world while India stands at number four, according to a study released on Sunday by the defence website Military Direct.

"The USA, despite their enormous military budgets, comes in 2nd place with 74 points, followed by Russia with 69, India at 61 and then France with 58. The UK just about makes the Top 10, coming in 9th place with a score of 43," said the study.

The study said the "ultimate military strength index" was calculated after taking into consideration various factors including budgets, number of inactive and active military personnel, total air, sea, land and nuclear resources, average salaries, and weight of equipment.

China has the strongest military in the world, scoring 82 out of 100 points in the index, it noted.


www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/china-h...directs-study-228427

www.statista.com/statistics/264443/the-w...-active-force-level/

It's not even close.

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17 Jun 2021 14:31 #13 by FredHayek
I have heard this before. But then in the late 70's, they invaded Vietnam and got horribly bogged down against a much smaller force. Just color me skeptical until we see them in operation. After the fall of the Soviet Union, it was revealed from former Soviet officers that much of their military might was an illusion. An illusion that the CIA and US military didn't mind hyping up to justify increased military budgets.

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17 Jun 2021 17:29 #14 by Wayne Harrison
"Horribly bogged down," meaning we won, right?

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18 Jun 2021 09:07 #15 by FredHayek

Wayne Harrison wrote: "Horribly bogged down," meaning we won, right?

I must have missed that news story that China won their war against tiny Vietnam and declared it a new province.

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18 Jun 2021 10:01 #16 by Wayne Harrison
Both China and Vietnam claimed victory in the last of the Indochina Wars.

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18 Jun 2021 10:03 #17 by homeagain

homeagain wrote: Understanding and Combating Russian and Chinese ...
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18 Jun 2021 10:19 #18 by FredHayek

homeagain wrote:

homeagain wrote: Understanding and Combating Russian and Chinese ...
www.americanprogress.org › reports › 2019/02/28
Feb 28, 2019 — While foreign influence operations are not new, the convergence of three larger global trends has made them a more important and acute ...
People also ask
Who is stronger Russia or China?
China has the strongest military in the world, scoring 82 out of 100 points in the index, it noted. China wins in a sea war with 406 ships vs Russia with 278 and the USA or India with 202, it said.Mar 22, 2021

​Who would win - China beats US in ultimate military strength index ...
m.economictimes.com › who-would-win › slideshow
Search for: Who is stronger Russia or China?
Which country has the most influence?
Top 20 most influential countries in the world
1 United States 98.53
2 China 98.39
3 Russia 98.28

4 Germany 95.71
5 France 95.26

straight up EVEN....for most influential

LOL, you put way too much trust in these eggheads. France's army was lauded in 1940. They were defeated in a month because the nation's heart wasn't in it.

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18 Jun 2021 10:23 #19 by koobookie

FredHayek wrote: LOL, you put way too much trust in these eggheads. France's army was lauded in 1940. They were defeated in a month because the nation's heart wasn't in it.


Ah, yes, it's the old "because some egghead got a prediction wrong 80 years ago, we shouldn't trust any egghead prediction today" argument.

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18 Jun 2021 10:31 #20 by FredHayek
They do get a lot wrong. Real life tends to upset models.

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