President Trump Will Return To The Border

Rick wrote:

koobookie wrote:

Rick wrote:

koobookie wrote: What was Donald's campaign slogan? Oh, right, "Promises made, promises kept."

The fact that Democrats stood in his way of delivering that promise just proves he wasn't a king like some on this board seemed to think. He fought to get that extra layer of security and Democrats blocked it so they could get what is happening right now.

Remember when Trump first took office and had both houses of Congress and still couldn't get his wall funded or built, even though he had everything he needed to get it started?

Yeah, that was awesome.

That doesn't guarantee anything as you should know. That's why Biden can't get all the trillions he wants to spend right now. If you think my statement is false, please tell me how he could have gotten that wall built give the roadblocks he was facing.

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FIRST off, there is extremely rough terrain to navigate(portions of the land the wall would have been built on) mucho money to accomplish that,SECOND it has ALREADY been proven and posted that the wall
was NOT a deterrent,tunnels,cutting bars open,makeshift ladders to scale the wall, COYOTES (crime
and gangs)that would find a away to make MONEY by promising safe passage to America. The project
was a "wish",NOT an ACTUAL barrier to stop the swarm of poor wanting a better life.

koobookie wrote: My point, Rick, is that he had all the assets he needed to get the wall built, yet could not do it. You make the assertion that it was the Democrats that thwarted his attempts, when in fact, they were essentially powerless. Instead, it was his own Republican controlled Congress that kept it from happening.

Oh, and his pledge that Mexico would pay for the wall? Yeah, another campaign promise kept.

Not.

He wasn't a king and you didn't answer my question. What steps would he have been able to take to get that wall built? If you say he could have done it, please just tell me how. I know it was a few years ago and you may not remember what he was up against, but he couldn't just do anything he wanted without getting enough support from congress. Again, I'll say the same thing about Biden... he has the Senate and the House yet he can't do whatever he wants either. Tell me how I'm wrong.

Rick wrote: He wasn't a king and you didn't answer my question. What steps would he have been able to take to get that wall built? If you say he could have done it, please just tell me how. I know it was a few years ago and you may not remember what he was up against, but he couldn't just do anything he wanted without getting enough support from congress. Again, I'll say the same thing about Biden... he has the Senate and the House yet he can't do whatever he wants either. Tell me how I'm wrong.

What steps? He made a promise, Rick. He said he would get the wall built, but did not. What steps did he plan when he was campaigning? I don't know. What could he have done? I don't know - I'm not the Prez. He had everything he needed to get the wall built - everything was gong his way. He had both houses and the oval office. Why couldn't he get it built? Why couldn't he get the support he needed from Congress? When YOU answer those questions, then you'll have your answer.

He made a promise. Didn't keep that promise.

koobookie wrote:

Rick wrote: He wasn't a king and you didn't answer my question. What steps would he have been able to take to get that wall built? If you say he could have done it, please just tell me how. I know it was a few years ago and you may not remember what he was up against, but he couldn't just do anything he wanted without getting enough support from congress. Again, I'll say the same thing about Biden... he has the Senate and the House yet he can't do whatever he wants either. Tell me how I'm wrong.

What steps? He made a promise, Rick. He said he would get the wall built, but did not. What steps did he plan when he was campaigning? I don't know. What could he have done? I don't know - I'm not the Prez. He had everything he needed to get the wall built - everything was gong his way. He had both houses and the oval office. Why couldn't he get it built? Why couldn't he get the support he needed from Congress? When YOU answer those questions, then you'll have your answer.

He made a promise. Didn't keep that promise.

I see, so if a president promises he will do something and the opposition does not let that promise happen, that means he never intended to do everything he could to keep that promise? Does your standard just apply to Trump or could we use the same standard for Obama and Biden? Should we look back on Obama's promises and be just as critical of his promises that never happened?

homeagain wrote:

Rick wrote:

koobookie wrote:

Rick wrote:

koobookie wrote: What was Donald's campaign slogan? Oh, right, "Promises made, promises kept."

The fact that Democrats stood in his way of delivering that promise just proves he wasn't a king like some on this board seemed to think. He fought to get that extra layer of security and Democrats blocked it so they could get what is happening right now.

Remember when Trump first took office and had both houses of Congress and still couldn't get his wall funded or built, even though he had everything he needed to get it started?

Yeah, that was awesome.

That doesn't guarantee anything as you should know. That's why Biden can't get all the trillions he wants to spend right now. If you think my statement is false, please tell me how he could have gotten that wall built give the roadblocks he was facing.

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FIRST off, there is extremely rough terrain to navigate(portions of the land the wall would have been built on) mucho money to accomplish that,SECOND it has ALREADY been proven and posted that the wall
was NOT a deterrent,tunnels,cutting bars open,makeshift ladders to scale the wall, COYOTES (crime
and gangs)that would find a away to make MONEY by promising safe passage to America. The project
was a "wish",NOT an ACTUAL barrier to stop the swarm of poor wanting a better life.

You are wrong. Biden stopped building the wall and illegal crossings rose. So the wall was a deterrent. It was never going to stop all illegals, just dissuade many from making the attempt.

Rick wrote: I see, so if a president promises he will do something and the opposition does not let that promise happen, that means he never intended to do everything he could to keep that promise? Does your standard just apply to Trump or could we use the same standard for Obama and Biden? Should we look back on Obama's promises and be just as critical of his promises that never happened?

The point is, Rick, that Trump had no obstacles in the first two years of his term, so I don't understand when you say that the Democrats prevented him from fulfilling his promise.

FredHayek wrote: You are wrong. Biden stopped building the wall and illegal crossings rose. So the wall was a deterrent. It was never going to stop all illegals, just dissuade many from making the attempt.

Are you certain that is cause / effect? Do you have data that supports the wall worked, or is there another reason why crossings are up?

koobookie wrote:

Rick wrote: I see, so if a president promises he will do something and the opposition does not let that promise happen, that means he never intended to do everything he could to keep that promise? Does your standard just apply to Trump or could we use the same standard for Obama and Biden? Should we look back on Obama's promises and be just as critical of his promises that never happened?

The point is, Rick, that Trump had no obstacles in the first two years of his term, so I don't understand when you say that the Democrats prevented him from fulfilling his promise.

That is simply untrue. Even Republicans in Congress were not supporting Trump 100% on the wall. He had to find ways to get around funding restraints, like stealing funds from the military. Even President Biden isn't able to get 100% of his campaign goals passed, example, infrastructure spending will be less than half of want the former VP wants.

The point is, Fred, that Trump had both houses of Congress in the first two years of his term. He should have been able to do pretty much whatever he wanted.

You state that "Republicans in Congress were not supporting Trump 100% on the wall," so claiming that the Democrats prevented him from fulfilling his promise is not true.

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote: You are wrong. Biden stopped building the wall and illegal crossings rose. So the wall was a deterrent. It was never going to stop all illegals, just dissuade many from making the attempt.

Are you certain that is cause / effect? Do you have data that supports the wall worked, or is there another reason why crossings are up?

True. It may have been the Wall did some good. Or it could be that illegal immigrants from as far away as the Socialist Republic of Venezuela were lured here by the idea that President Biden would be much more accepting to immigrants than a hardliner like President Trump? I haven't seen the analysis break it out yet, I have just seen the illegal immigration numbers spiking. And the detentions of foreign children increasing. If VP Harris won't go to the border, maybe AOC can return and inspect the conditions for these poor, locked up minors.