If You Really Did Have Good Sources...

29 Sep 2021 07:46 #11 by Rick

koobookie wrote: Did you read SC's post where show showed that several "liberal sources" actually fed you "this really important information?"

I did, and none of them prove there would be no long term harm to children. There are plenty of people on this planet, including most of our European allies that also don't agree that keeping masks on little kids is a good idea. You are free to disagree and believe any sources you want.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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29 Sep 2021 08:18 #12 by koobookie
But you see, Rick, you asked why none of the "trusted sources" were reporting the outrage. SC showed that those "trusted sources" actually were reporting the information.

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29 Sep 2021 14:27 #13 by ScienceChic
The statement in the original post was about children's DEATHS due to COVID-19, not masks. I found sources contradicting the claim that they weren't mentioning that particular stat. That rebuttal was completely ignored.

To have honest debate, one must address the point/counterpoint, not ignore the facts presented, and not move the goal posts.

To help counter unconscious biases, it's always a good idea to ask if what you think to be true isn't and is there any credible info out there that contradicts those held biases. I noted that it's a talking point in this FOX news article that "many" European countries don't require masks (when reading, always do you ask yourself, "Which countries DON'T they mention?"). Well, "many" also do, as well as countries on other continents (articles from 2020, not 2021). For non-outrage, facts-only, go to sources like this:
COVID-19 and the Use of Masks by Children. Statement From the Association of Schools of Public Health in the European Region and the European Academy of Paediatrics
PERSPECTIVE article
Front. Pediatr., 28 January 2021 | doi.org/10.3389/fped.2021.580150

It's great that kids have not been inordinately impacted by this virus; however, what seems to be left out of the conversation is that kids are a vector for transmission to those who are less able to fight off or survive this virus. Stopping the carriers is just as important, particularly for those who have higher vulnerabilities and/or are medically unable to get vaccinated. That's why people such as Michael Mina and Scott Gottlieb have been calling for more widespread rapid testing that individuals and families can do at home. It's impossible to stop the transmission of a virus if those infected are asymptomatic and innocently ignorant of the risk they pose to others.

I wonder if these kids, if asked, would feel that mask wearing is more traumatic (than being orphaned)?
US is No. 4 in the world with most orphaned children by COVID deaths, study finds
By Katie Camero, Miami Herald | Updated July 21, 2021 10:05 PM

Pediatric Psychologist On The High Rates Of Children Orphaned By COVID-19

What kind of pansy society have we turned into that wearing a mask, which has been done for 100 years to protect people from germs in hospitals and during pandemics, is more horrible than catching and spreading a virus that has caused over a million deaths worldwide, and 700K+ here in the U.S., since it's outbreak less than 2 years ago? Fewer people die of heart disease every year than have died of COVID in the U.S. and yet the callous line "It has a 99.5% survivability rate" is continuously tossed out as if that isn't all of those families' lives forever impacted and it's a good enough excuse to not help keep others in your community safer. I find it bizarre and disheartening that what I see people doing in real life helping others is so opposite what I read online.

The "fear factor" for surgical masks and face shields, as perceived by children and their parents
Pediatrics. 2009 Oct;124(4):e777-81.
doi: 10.1542/peds.2008-3709. Epub 2009 Sep 28.

Conclusions: Physicians and parents have a perception that surgical masks are frightening to all children. Our study has shown that this perception is not completely true. Face shields may be a better choice, however, because both parents and children would prefer this option.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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30 Sep 2021 08:54 #14 by Rick
I did move to masks and that really wasn't my original intention for this thread, so I do apologize for "moving the goal post". The point of this thread was to show the selective way the media gives us information, especially the left wing media that regularly leaves out statistics that damage their narrative.

If you have sources that have shined a light on the CDC child death data, then I'd like to see those articles, especially as compared to historical flu statistics. It's similar to the ignoring of data when it comes to the biggest threat to black Americans. The media says it's racism, but the data says something completely different.

This thread is about how the media reports about data and science, it's not really about the science, (I'd be happy to debate ever changing science of the virus in another thread).

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30 Sep 2021 09:36 #15 by homeagain
I'm sorry to state, U R ON YOUR OWN.....the choices that r presented to u, r identical to everything in the world....your internal make up will dictate your actions. I,for one,do not follow the "advise" of common
doctor requests. I WILL,in crucial health issues,follow another path....NO ICU,NO CHEMO,NO EXTRAORDINARY actions to keep me on earth. I do not ask for suggested meds,I decline them for the
most part...because pharmco is a piranha. I am my own advocate and if it does not feel "right",I will research the topic. Two examples, I have always consulted the annual BEST USED CARS CONSUMER REPORT,
I have never had a lemon...I review the composite repair issues and make my choice based on what Ihave
read. HYPOTHYROIDISM is rampant and is being OVER TREATED, the doctors do NOT order complete
thyroid panels and for the most part, base their treatments on the TSH levels...there r actually more
than a half dozen values to take into consideration BEFORE a diagnosis recommendation. IF u do not
know this and DO NOT REQUEST a complete panel,u will be slapped onto livothroxine (spg?) for treatment,which is a drug that needs "tweaking" extensively. U will NOT be a happy camper from the
side effects......which brings us full circle, it is an educated guess and a personal choice.

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30 Sep 2021 13:15 #16 by koobookie

Rick wrote: I did move to masks and that really wasn't my original intention for this thread, so I do apologize for "moving the goal post". The point of this thread was to show the selective way the media gives us information, especially the left wing media that regularly leaves out statistics that damage their narrative.

If you have sources that have shined a light on the CDC child death data, then I'd like to see those articles, especially as compared to historical flu statistics. It's similar to the ignoring of data when it comes to the biggest threat to black Americans. The media says it's racism, but the data says something completely different.

This thread is about how the media reports about data and science, it's not really about the science, (I'd be happy to debate ever changing science of the virus in another thread).


What was it about SC's post on page one of this thread that did not meet your criteria?

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30 Sep 2021 19:44 #17 by Rick
OK koobookie, if it makes you feel better, I will concede that SC found some articles that showed how rare it is that children die from covid. What percentage of the population do you think actually read those articles compared to TV media? I'm not concerned about the people who dig for information and want to be as informed as possible, I'm more concerned about the people who believe narratives developed my the most popular media sources... the same ones who wanted us to believe Trump colluded with Russia, or that cops are racists that hunt black people, or that our border really isn't open for all to enter.

I'll post another one that fits this thread soon and hopefully you'll be willing to participate with your own arguments and sources.

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01 Oct 2021 08:07 #18 by koobookie
You just moved the goalposts again. It's no longer "liberal sources are not reporting this issue," now it's "who is reading this and why isn't it easier to find."

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01 Oct 2021 10:24 #19 by homeagain
Unfortunately, there r few posters,we lost Wayne,who was spot on for accuracy. Rick's M.O. is to throw
out innuendos and initiate a conversation. But then again, THAT is what exacts a response.

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01 Oct 2021 10:45 #20 by Blazer Bob
Rick seems pretty direct to me.

innuendo
ĭn″yoo͞-ĕn′dō
noun
An indirect or subtle, usually derogatory implication in expression; an insinuation.
A plaintiff's allegation explicating the defamatory meaning of the publication or utterance in a libel suit.
An oblique hint; a remote allusion or reference, usually derogatory to a person or thing not named; an insinuation.

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