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PLANT VAC......please explain?
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07 Dec 2021 10:48 #1
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PLANT VAC......please explain? was created by homeagain
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Ok then, can SC or Ramage explain the plant based vac vs.the present vac.? What kind of plant,is the other vac ALL CHEMICALS?
Ok then, can SC or Ramage explain the plant based vac vs.the present vac.? What kind of plant,is the other vac ALL CHEMICALS?
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07 Dec 2021 13:30 #2
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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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It means they created the antigen in plants, rather than animal cell cultures, eggs, or other in vitro processes. Here's their page describing their technology:
medicago.com/en/our-technologies/plant-based-technology/
Everything on this earth is made of chemicals, some organic (containing carbon), some inorganic (not containing carbon). So to answer your question, every single vaccine is made of chemicals. If you're asking if there are toxic vs non-toxic, or man-made vs naturally-occurring chemicals, then I'd say yes, they are all a mixture of both. Just because it's made in a lab doesn't make it toxic, harmful, or not an exact copy of something that naturally exists in your cells already. The mRNA vaccines are literally only salts, sugars, lipids/fats, mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acids), and acid stabilizers - far fewer ingredients than in traditional vaccines.
For those who have objections to the vaccines that have been produced in animal cell lines (typically an immortalized fetal cell line), this should negate that issue.
Everything on this earth is made of chemicals, some organic (containing carbon), some inorganic (not containing carbon). So to answer your question, every single vaccine is made of chemicals. If you're asking if there are toxic vs non-toxic, or man-made vs naturally-occurring chemicals, then I'd say yes, they are all a mixture of both. Just because it's made in a lab doesn't make it toxic, harmful, or not an exact copy of something that naturally exists in your cells already. The mRNA vaccines are literally only salts, sugars, lipids/fats, mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acids), and acid stabilizers - far fewer ingredients than in traditional vaccines.
For those who have objections to the vaccines that have been produced in animal cell lines (typically an immortalized fetal cell line), this should negate that issue.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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08 Dec 2021 07:09 #3
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THANK U for the info...another question,and I am NOT well versed in science/med. An adjunct is part of the vaccine ingredient, is that correct? if so, what components r used to produce an adjunct? would the plant based vac differ in that factor......what would the additive be?
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08 Dec 2021 07:57 - 08 Dec 2021 16:42 #4
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So we can't sue if there are long term side effects and we can't find out what's in them for 55 years. There are lots of reasons for the lack of trust, not to mention the record of incorrect BS spewed since the start.
www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-wh...ine-data-2021-11-18/
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
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While that may be a factor for a few, this seems to be a bit more of a problem...ScienceChic wrote:
For those who have objections to the vaccines that have been produced in animal cell lines (typically an immortalized fetal cell line), this should negate that issue.
So we can't sue if there are long term side effects and we can't find out what's in them for 55 years. There are lots of reasons for the lack of trust, not to mention the record of incorrect BS spewed since the start.
www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-wh...ine-data-2021-11-18/
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
Last edit: 08 Dec 2021 16:42 by MyMountainTown. Reason: removed Reuters quoted material per their Terms of Use https://www.reuters.com/info-pages/terms-of-use/
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15 Dec 2021 16:15 #5
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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Homeagain, I think you mean adjuvant, not adjunct. An adjuvant is an ingredient added to a vaccine to elicit a stronger immune response. I don't know exactly what Medicago and GlaxoSmithKline plan to use.
Adjuvants and Vaccines - CDC
Emerging concepts in the science of vaccine adjuvants
Nature Reviews
Adjuvants and Vaccines - CDC
Emerging concepts in the science of vaccine adjuvants
Nature Reviews
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16 Dec 2021 08:08 #6
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Thank U for the correction...I read thru BOTH articles, absorbing, at best,just a fraction of the content. But what continued to come thru was a sense of NOT KNOWING the effects in humans. since most of,if not all of the trials are being done on mice....that the question of adjuvants is STILL being evaluated.as we move forward in the field. The translation to HUMAN trails is small and still unclear as to BEST protocol, since age,ethnicity and long term effects of various adjuvants r still being evaluated. It is a field,that appears to be
antiquated,(since the 1990's)...and NEWER versions r being evaluated. I was aware of saqualene ,unclear if it is plant based, (olive oil) or animal based or if synthetic.....from my POV, the issue of adjuvants contributes to the over all concern of the vaccines issue. (some people SWEAR that mercury is a an ingredient,and r adamant of not vacing their kids)
antiquated,(since the 1990's)...and NEWER versions r being evaluated. I was aware of saqualene ,unclear if it is plant based, (olive oil) or animal based or if synthetic.....from my POV, the issue of adjuvants contributes to the over all concern of the vaccines issue. (some people SWEAR that mercury is a an ingredient,and r adamant of not vacing their kids)
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