It is common knowleABC.....antibiotics bring C=Diff...FYI

www.newscientist.com/article/2309517-ant...ampaign=NSDAY_280222

CLOSE association with C DIFF issues.....case against over use of antibiotic....MY med. directive is explicit, NO ANTIBIOTICS when critical ill....BE
YOUR OWN MEDICAL ADVOCATE.....fair warning.

Sounds nasty, but if you are already “critical”, would you really be worried about taking antibiotics that may more may not work? If death is inevitable without treatment, what’s the downside ?

Maybe I’m still not good at deciphering your coded language?

Rick wrote: Sounds nasty, but if you are already “critical”, would you really be worried about taking antibiotics that may more may not work? If death is inevitable without treatment, what’s the downside ?

Maybe I’m still not good at deciphering your coded language?

nypost.com/2012/12/09/diary-of-an-intensive-care-nurse/ ....

u will see that the DOCTOR INSISTS TO CONTINUE THE TREATMENT THRU TO THE END....COMPLETELY OPPOSITE OF THE PATIENT'S/ HUSBANDS WISHES....(BECAUSE THE "GOD COMPLEX IS PRESENT).....us will also see that antibiotics adverse effect is "nasty" beyond anything u can imagine READ carefully what measures r required for the aftermath of administering antibiotics. Is THAT what u would like to endure???

I'm still confused. Are you assuming that you're going to get this "super bug" or do you just not want any antibiotics? Antibiotics have saved me many times over my life and I'd be nuts to reject them because of some rare bug that I most likely won't get.

Are you against all antibiotics?
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It is common knowledge that the OVERUSE of antibiotics, both in the medical setting AND in the food industry has created the imbalance in the immune system....when u r critically ill,and prospects are bleak
for a good recovery,THEN the use of the drug is detrimental......in my lifetime,I have MAYBE taken an antibiotic rx twice.....BUT, I drank alot of milk thru those years and antibiotics were a standard factor then.

I am am a vegetarian for the most part,I do eat fish, butter and drink milk.....and I try to follow what my Harvard trained doctor told me once...(I was in my early 60's). Stay away from doctors, hospitals and drugs
as much as possible....as far away as can be,

There is a fallacy in your thinking....C DIFF is NOT RARE...in fact,it is one of the most dangerous factors in a hospital setting. Sepsis is another factor that creates chaos,

If antibiotics were suddenly banned or became unavailable for some reason, can you not imagine millions more people dying every year?

I understand the problem of antibiotics being ineffective is some cases, but if you have the choice between certain death and having to try an antibiotic that could save you, you'd really just chose death?

Maybe you've gotten everything you want out of life and are willing to tap out, but I think you are a very rare case. I know my family would be devastated if I decided not to take a medication that could have saved me... I will always fight to the end unless I know for certain that my future quality of life will not be worth it.

Rick wrote: If antibiotics were suddenly banned or became unavailable for some reason, can you not imagine millions more people dying every year?

I understand the problem of antibiotics being ineffective is some cases, but if you have the choice between certain death and having to try an antibiotic that could save you, you'd really just chose death?

Maybe you've gotten everything you want out of life and are willing to tap out, but I think you are a very rare case. I know my family would be devastated if I decided not to take a medication that could have saved me... I will always fight to the end unless I know for certain that my future quality of life will not be worth it.[/quote]

BINGO......quality of life vs. QUANTITY....I have had this exact dialogue with my brother.,he feels the same as u.

From my pov,,attempting ANYTHING to stave off death is an exercise in futility.....I watched the doc(years ago) of Farrah Faccett's battle with cancer....she went thru hell with experimental treatments overseas,she was going to beat this beast....it was hideous and heart wrenching and in the end...she lost and was put thru agony till they finally sedated her into oblivion and she was released.

We make decision about NOT allowing our loved fur babies to suffer,,,,,how is that any different with a loved human.?????

I had stage 4 colon cancer that spread to a lymph node right next to my spine and I also had kidney cancer at the same time. My doctors recommended heavy chemo treatments as my only hope along with radiation. They told me the treatments would likely result in some brutal side effects and possibly death if my body was unable to handle it. They were right, it was the worst two years of my life and there were several times where I contemplated stopping and letting nature take it's course. My family urged me to fight and without them I know I would have given up and I would have died years ago as it slowly took me out. The chemo caused me to get 12 blood clots in my lungs which was extremely painful and scary because I could barely breath. Then another round of a new chemo drug caused a vasal spasm in my heart and I went into cardiac arrest for 20 minutes then in the ICU for several days as they tried to control it.

Obviously I'm still here, 12 years after my initial diagnosis. My family urged me to fight so I took the advice from the doctors and went through hell. Would I do it again knowing what I know now? Damn right I would. It all comes down to how much you're willing to fight to live. If someone has no interest in fighting I can respect that but that's never going to be me. I have a lot left to do and I can't do it when I'm dead.

I am in awe of u. (honest truth). My choice would be NO chemo/radiation,I would want to enjoy EVERY MOMENT of my existence,watching the sunrise,set,gazing at the grazing deer,catch a glimpse of a fox
running across the field,hawks catching the thermals,the smell of my lavender bushes on the front porch,the
hummingbirds at the window,waiting for me to refill their nectar,the antics of the new litter of prairie dogs ,the smell of fresh mowed hay,the sun warming my face on clear blue sky day.....and when I could NOT enjoy
those things...exercise my legal right to MEDICAL AID IN DYING. I would want to move on,when one door closes ANOTHER door opens.....into another plane. Metaphysically speaking, u have three exit points to
option, obviously your mission here was not complete. I am incredibly elated u r well and ALIVE.

Thanks for your honesty and I really do respect that decision even though I made a different one. I could have very well wasted my last two years in misery if the chemo and radiation didn't work, so I understand that calculation many people make every day. Even though I chose to fight, I have to be honest and tell you that there were many nights that I hoped I'd die in my sleep. As I get older, I'm sure my will to fight will change depending on the issue and whether or not I'm at peace with dying.