Interesting Lower Manhattan Mosque Poll Info

If you care to examine the results more closely there is more to see!

Marist Poll - August 10, 2010

Manhattan Residents For Building Mosque 53%, Against 31%, Undecided 16% Manhattan is where Ground Zero and the site of the proposed mosque are.

http://beta.wnyc.org/blogs/micropolis/2 ... ll-mosque/

Tables of Results for Marist Polls

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content ... Tables.pdf

Siena Research Institute Poll, August 18

http://beta.wnyc.org/blogs/micropolis/2 ... oppose-it/
New Yorkers refers to the larger metropolitan area.

The majority of New Yorkers have demonstrated greater intelligence than most of us have!

"Even a majority of those who oppose building the mosque agree by a margin of 51-42 percent that they have the right to build it."

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Facts don't calm debate over New York Islamic center - Yahoo News

Fox News was interviewing some of the possible construction workers. Many said there is no way they would build it. But a smaller amount admitted a job was a job. I think getting a piece of all this Saudi money flowing in would be too tempting.

renald: Updated info for you! I found some other polls who are against the mosque being built..

Most New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque: NBC Poll
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-be ... 02569.html

The left takes their polls and the right takes their polls. The polls I hear say that over 70% of America opposes the building, not based upon religious freedom as used so often here on the forum but based on propriety alone.

Every expert that I have listened to states that the real issue is what the Muslim Community is attempting to accomplish. If the Muslim Community wants to Bridge the divide between Islam and the West (as it claims), it will pay attention to the American people and not shove it down our throats. What do you think the chances of that are?

Would it be OK if they also built a chapel in this building? Would that offset the supposed insult?

How bout if George Bush stood up and said the same thing that Obama did? That he supports their right to build an Islamic Center in that location. What would you say then? It would go a long way towards redeaming some of his failures. He could, but he won't because he is a republican. Just sayin...

Yes most New Yorkers are opposed but it appears that you did not read the links or the details in the polls themselves. Its a simpleton thing to take a coarse summary of something and declare it as the truth.

Here is a challenge. If you are familiar with the bible you are familiar with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah but do you know the significance of Melchizedek. Melchizedek appears in Genesis, Psalms and Paul's Book of Hebrews.

As a second challenge locate Manhattan, New York on a map. If you were to measure the straight line distance between Belmont Racetrack on the eastern New York City Border and the proposed location of the Mosque, and the distance between Conifer Post office and the center of Chattfield Dam you will find that they are almost the same. How much of a say do you think the people near Chatfield Reservoir should have about a Walmart proposed for Conifer?

What is the distance between Manhattan and the site of the proposed Mosque? The polls show that the Majority of the people polled in Manhattan favor the building of the Mosque! If you take the majority of the people polled in Metropolitan New York they oppose building the Mosque where proposed. A large majority of those same people support the Mosque's community's right to build it there.

Now have you read the the exact breakdown of the first poll and the break down of the summary of the second poll?

Sorry, I find it difficult to believe that you even read what I have written here, or much less given any consideration to it. I happen to enjoy writing and I don't really mind.

If you were to ask me if it was that I practiced Islam, would I want to build my Mosque where the controversy is, I would, without hesitation say no! I would still have the right to build it there, regardless of what anyone else though, if I owned the property or the lease! If I sought to take out a mortgage the bank could not legally refuse me on the basis of my religion.

I wonder if they should go back and take polls of the people who live within 2-3 blocks of Catholic churches where pedophile priests pursued their victims? Perhaps we could put the Catholic church to a vote? Force them to move it? Tear it down? Prevent them from building any more in certain areas? ("If it saves just one child...")

Each of us knows diddly squat about Islam or Muslims!

The zealot followers of charismatic radical Islamic Charlatans, like the ones who flew planeloads of innocent civilians into buildings full of fathers, mothers, sons and daughters supporting their families are just about the only ones we are familiar with. The commentaries and teachings we since had Islam has come mostly from our own charismatic and political leaders with their own personal agendas. Can you recognize the purposes behind their words?

As a starter, do you call yourself a Christian? What does that mean?

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[center:r0s8lkdg]Major branches of Christianity[/center:r0s8lkdg]
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[center:r0s8lkdg]Most Americans are associated with a Protestant branch of Christianity[/center:r0s8lkdg]

Almost every branch, denomination or separate church of Christianity defines itself by a Creed. When you identify yourself as a Christian, do you know the Creed that you are defining yourself by? There is a world of difference between them. Do you know your creed?

Here is a diagrammatic reakdown of Islam.

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[center:r0s8lkdg]Compare this diagram to the ones for Christianity.[/center:r0s8lkdg]

Islam does not define itself with creeds. It defines itself by the five “Pillars of Faith.” Faith, Prayer, Zakat (related to prosperity and charity), The Fast and Pilgrimage. That's as specific as Islam gets!

We see the facets of modern Islam as projections by a few notoriously deadly charismatic leaders; Osama Bin Laden, Omar (Taliban), Grand Ayatollah Khamenei and their like, who do not represent the whole of Islam. American Christianity has its own charismatic, mostly benevolent spokespeople who include Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell Jr, Billy Graham , James Dobson. John Hagee and to be objective David Koresh, Jim Jones, Rev. Moon, white supremest leaders and so on. The formal structure of Christianity and Protestantism (see diagrams) discourages the type of radical pretense we see in Islam.

The beliefs and understandings of most Muslims about their religion are shaped by family, and Imams and teachers at local Mosques, and occasionally in regional Madresses. Those institutions are equivalents to our local churches and sometimes our Dioceses, Conferences and Synods, etc . For Islam, we hear about the Radical Madresses and Mosques.

Branch Davidians and especially its avengers in Timothy McVeigh’s Militia (sect) and white supremist groups are American Christian equivalents to the radical Muslim Madresses.

What do we know about Muslim Jihad?

Muslims' responsibility for Jihad has been blown so extremely out context by Muslim charlatans of hate like Osam and Mullah Omar and just as much by our own political and religious manipulators, see if you can name some them yourself. (Hint: Many of us trust them!)

Jihad

Jihad means 'struggle.' There are two sides to Jihad. One is the inner struggle which everyone wages against egotistic desires, for the sake of attaining inner peace

The other includes war, and like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. As Muslims see it, injustice would be triumphant in the world if good men were not prepared to risk their lives in a righteous cause.

The Quran says:

Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. (2:190)

If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. (8:61)
When the Crusaders in Jerusalem were final defeated the survivors were given safe escort out of the Holy Lands. When the Nazis retreated from their eastern conquests they were treated to the same brutality they had caused. Which one showed mercy?

War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law.

The followers of charismatic radical Islamists, like the ones who flew planeloads of innocent civilians into buildings full of fathers, mothers, sons and daughters supporting their families are just about the only ones we are familiar with. The commentaries and teachings we have had about Islam, in the wake of these experiences has come mostly from our charismatic and politically interested leaders.

To sum it up, each of us knows diddly squat about Islam or Muslims!

Christians don't know much about Islam? I find most do know much about early Christianity, much less another religion. And won't even accept that the gospels were written much later than they assumed.

SS109 wrote: Christians don't know much about Islam? I find most do know much about early Christianity, much less another religion. And won't even accept that the gospels were written much later than they assumed.

Does it matter much that most of the Gospels were written much later and by different and more authors than we know them by? If you study the contents, for the most part thy teach, mostly by parable what we now call humanism. The arguments about the rightness and legitimacy of each specific church and religion comes to blows. The motivation becomes individual, church and political power and wealth and any goodness in the original writings becomes meaningless, and name of the faith becomes a battle cry in warfare in which too many perish for not being on the right side.