DUE DELIGENCE?? (logic deleted in decisions)

23 Jun 2023 07:22 #1 by homeagain
The Titan .......TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS to be bolted inside a steel shell....with NO mechanism to unlock from the inside.
An elementary "joy stick" implemented as an instrument of movement, a rudimentary rig consisting of repurposed parts ("pick up sticks"), interior lacking in
basic construction (suitable for passengers)....AND A DISCLAIMER MENTIONING DEATH THREE TIMES. The above factors were considered (or NOT)
BY FIVE MENTALLY FIT MEN........the human species is devolving in intelligence. JMO

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23 Jun 2023 12:46 #2 by FredHayek
Adventurers often have been willing to put their lives on the line to go places. How many astronauts and cosmonauts risked it all to go to space in craft that have less capability than your current desktop? Or Vikings sailing to the New World?
And even after a disaster like this, I predict bigger and better submarines are being built to take the place of this imploded craft.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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23 Jun 2023 13:42 - 23 Jun 2023 15:43 #3 by homeagain
I see u have missed the MOST pertinent part of this tragedy.......the inventor did NOT believe in regs and certification,as it was too slow a process. He was circumventing the "safety sector"....THAT is certainly a OK,IF u R THE SOLE PASSENGER......he was charging $250,000 per person and had an understanding
that the craft was experimental and was STILL EVOLVING. He wantonly wagered 5 human beings lives and
LOST BIG TIME......NOW THE COMPANY WILL BE SUBJECTED TO SEVERE SCRUTINY and most likely be decommissioned.

The singular piece of "good" to this story......it was a quick and "good" death....as there was no advanced
indication,just BAM..... BLOWN IN A MILLISECOND, PAINLESS AND NO PANIC..


HERE READ THIS

abcnews.go.com/US/company-lost-titanic-o...g/story?id=100256217

Members of a MTS committee specializing in submersibles later voiced concern that OceanGate was avoiding industry-wide safety standards, according to a 2018 letter. The letter itself, which was never approved to be sent to OceanGate, was leaked to Rush, according to the committee’s chair William Kohnen.

"Your representation is, at minimum, misleading to the public and breaches an industry-wide professional code of conduct we all endeavor to uphold," the letter said about OceanGate's marketing materials about the safety of Titan's design.

“The company had indicated that their state of innovation was beyond, beyond what was allowable within the regulatory standards we have today and that they would proceed without certification,
” Kohnen told ABC News, adding that the company heeded some of the comments made in the 2018 letter.

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23 Jun 2023 19:23 #4 by ramage
Let us dissect this message. It was sent by some members of the MTS committee and their opinion was rejected by the MTS committee. You might want to review this website before getting your knicker in a twist over an abcnews,com report in 2018.
www.mtsmuv.org/#mts-muv-committee

For some reason you have decided that this is a good and quick death. What is your basis for that? How do you know that it happened in a millisecond ? Does it make you feel better. For several days, your source, ABC news reported that they had oxygen left and were alive. Now they were blown up several days ago? How do you reconcile these two disparate reports?

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24 Jun 2023 10:09 #5 by FredHayek
This wasn't exactly the maiden voyage of this submersible. Maybe metal fatigue? Bad maintenance practices? Canada and others are investigating.

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24 Jun 2023 12:50 - 24 Jun 2023 13:24 #6 by homeagain

ramage wrote: Let us dissect this message. It was sent by some members of the MTS committee and their opinion was rejected by the MTS committee. You might want to review this website before getting your knicker in a twist over an abcnews,com report in 2018.
www.mtsmuv.org/#mts-muv-committee

For some reason you have decided that this is a good and quick death. What is your basis for that? How do you know that it happened in a millisecond ? Does it make you feel better. For several days, your source, ABC news reported that they had oxygen left and were alive. Now they were blown up several days ago? How do you reconcile these two disparate reports?


NAVY REPORTED SONAR SOUNDS OF IMPLOSION ON THE 1ST 2 HOURS OF THE TRIP,THE DAY IT LAUNCHED

James Cameron,WHO IS THE "GURU" OF DEEP DIVE TEK,SAID HE WOULD NEVER GOTTEN ON THIS "SUB"


www.reuters.com/world/james-cameron-says...mersible-2023-06-23/
en.as.com/latest_news/titanic-submarine-...ews-and-reactions-n/

www.insider.com/what-happens-when-submer...rine-implodes-2023-6

An implosion is the opposite of an explosion, meaning the Titan was likely crushed in milliseconds.
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25 Jun 2023 04:39 #7 by ramage
For the naysayers regarding the Titan. Here is an unemotional article regarding its history and voyage.
www.wsj.com/articles/prior-submersible-p...b?mod=article_inline

An excerpt:
Another prior passenger, David Pogue, a CBS Sunday Morning correspondent who went on the Titan last year at the invitation of OceanGate, showed The Wall Street Journal part of the waiver he signed. It read in part: “This operation will be conducted inside an experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body,” and later: “Travel in and around the vehicle could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma, or death.”
The Titan had a number of successful voyages prior to its catastrophe. The Titanic, its goal, sunk on its maiden voyage, certifications and all.

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25 Jun 2023 06:43 - 25 Jun 2023 06:49 #8 by homeagain
www.cnn.com/2023/06/25/americas/submersi...hs-sunday/index.html

And when submersible expert Karl Stanley was aboard the Titan for an underseas excursion off the coast of the Bahamas in April 2019, he felt there was something wrong with the vessel when loud noises were heard and sent an email to Rush, the CEO of OceanGate Expeditions, sounding the alarm on suspected defects.
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“What we heard, in my opinion … sounded like a flaw/defect in one area being acted on by the tremendous pressures and being crushed/damaged,” Stanley wrote in the email, a copy of which has been obtained by CNN.

From the intensity of the sounds, the fact that they never totally stopped at depth, and the fact that there were sounds at about 300 feet that indicated a relaxing of stored energy /would indicate that there is an area of the hull that is breaking down/ getting spongy,” Stanley continued.

The inventor WAS INFORMED OF STRUCTURAL ISSUES......he still wantonly wagered 5 lives and $250,000 per person, to garner "fame".

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25 Jun 2023 06:57 #9 by homeagain

ramage wrote: For the naysayers regarding the Titan. Here is an unemotional article regarding its history and voyage.
www.wsj.com/articles/prior-submersible-p...b?mod=article_inline

An excerpt:
Another prior passenger, David Pogue, a CBS Sunday Morning correspondent who went on the Titan last year at the invitation of OceanGate, showed The Wall Street Journal part of the waiver he signed. It read in part: “This operation will be conducted inside an experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body,” and later: “Travel in and around the vehicle could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma, or death.”
The Titan had a number of successful voyages prior to its catastrophe. The Titanic, its goal, sunk on its maiden voyage, certifications and all.


I am NOT a menses member......IT DOES NOT TAKE A HUGE INTELLECT to calculate the odds and make the assumption that the vessel was unsafe......AGAIN 5 mentally fit men made a macho move that made NO SENSE.....devolving intellect.

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25 Jun 2023 11:21 #10 by FredHayek
Lindbergh took a huge risk flying alone to Paris. Hundreds have died attempting to climb Mt. Everest.
Personally I am very risk averse but I am glad Humanity has these risk takers.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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