Tea Party:"Reject Gay Rights, let God handle climate change"

14 Sep 2010 10:30 #21 by FredHayek
Great point about the illegals. NPR was running a story this morning about how much it cost to prosecute all the illegals, huge amounts. It really would be cheaper in the long term to build a super wall to defend the border. And Obama's team could even create some jobs with it. Infrastructure additions?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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24 Sep 2010 08:08 #22 by Wayne Harrison
A 2,000 mile state-of-the-art border fence has been estimated to cost between four and eight billion dollars. Costs for a wall that would run the entire length of the border might be as low as $851 million for a standard 10-foot prison chain link fence topped by razor wire. For another $362 million, the fence could be electrified. A larger 12-foot tall, two-foot-thick concrete wall painted on both sides would run about $2 billion. Initially it was estimated that the San Diego fence would cost $14 million -- about $1 million a mile. The first 11 miles of the fence eventually cost $42 million -- $3.8 million per mile, and the last 3.5 miles may cost even more since they cover more difficult terrain. An additional $35 million to complete the final 3.5 miles was approved in 2005 by the Department of Homeland Security -- $10 million per mile.

But with the party of "STOP" you won't see that spending. We're going back to 2008 with their new contract, remember? Heck the Republicans may even decide to tear down the wall that's already built and sell the parts to help bring down the budget.

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24 Sep 2010 08:53 #23 by ComputerBreath
How 'bout if we take some of these incarcerated illegals and make them build the wall/fence? Cheap labor, and if any escape, we make sure they go south.

OK, I know it isn't that simple, but it is an idea.

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24 Sep 2010 09:16 #24 by The Viking

Wayne Harrison wrote: A 2,000 mile state-of-the-art border fence has been estimated to cost between four and eight billion dollars. Costs for a wall that would run the entire length of the border might be as low as $851 million for a standard 10-foot prison chain link fence topped by razor wire. For another $362 million, the fence could be electrified. A larger 12-foot tall, two-foot-thick concrete wall painted on both sides would run about $2 billion. Initially it was estimated that the San Diego fence would cost $14 million -- about $1 million a mile. The first 11 miles of the fence eventually cost $42 million -- $3.8 million per mile, and the last 3.5 miles may cost even more since they cover more difficult terrain. An additional $35 million to complete the final 3.5 miles was approved in 2005 by the Department of Homeland Security -- $10 million per mile.

But with the party of "STOP" you won't see that spending. We're going back to 2008 with their new contract, remember? Heck the Republicans may even decide to tear down the wall that's already built and sell the parts to help bring down the budget.


The party of 'STOP'? You mean the Dems right? You do know that it is Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano who stopped the building of the fence. In case you aren't up on your politics, she is a Democrat. You Libs are too funny. Spewing the same old Rhetoric that the media tells you to say, when it is the opposite of the truth. Americans speak and the mojority want something like a border fence, or don't want something like amnesty, healthcare, or the stimulus or the bailouts, The Democrats flat out go the opposite and say NO or STOP and do exactly what those few hundred want rather than the will of the people. And then the media tells the libs to say that the Republicans are the party of NO because they try and pass bills for the will of the people rather than what Obama, Pelosi and Reid want.

You really need to get your facts straight.

And what do you mean go back to 2008? We are still there. The Dems we in total control of all bills since jan 2007. Why do you guys keep saying go back to the Dems control when we have been there for 4 years?

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24 Sep 2010 09:51 #25 by Wayne Harrison
You know what state Janet Napolitano was Governor of before she headed Homeland Security, right?

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24 Sep 2010 19:11 #26 by Nmysys
It has become apparent that the tactics of not answering questions and posing more questions, is just plain bullsh** Wayne. Don't like being backed into a corner with rational questions do you?

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24 Sep 2010 22:09 #27 by ScienceChic

SS109 wrote: It really would be cheaper in the long term to build a super wall to defend the border.

Yes, that solution worked so well for the USSR in Germany...and the Chinese...

I don't dispute that we have a problem with people getting into, and working in, this country illegally, but building a wall ain't gonna solve the problem.

Whatevergreen wrote: it’s the questions outlining the group’s priorities that provide a hearty serving of insight:

Now let’s hear those 15 questions.
2. The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to God and not government and I oppose all measures of Cap and Trade as well as the teaching of global warming theory in our schools.

This right here is my biggest problem with the Tea Party. It's all well and good to want a smaller, more efficient, non-corrupt government that provides for us without interfering in our personal lives, but when they're unwilling to listen to, and try to understand, and to accept what thousands of scientists who have been studying this issue are telling them, and it's a problem that will require an international scale, government-led solution to mitigate it, then they are not qualified to lead a government for which I will vote and support. The excess of CO2 in our atmosphere hasn't been put there by God, it's been put there by Man, and as such should be extracted by Man. Cap and Trade is the most useless, inefficient, corporate friendly, loophole-ridden means with which to solve global warming, but as it's the only one that's been discussed, I'd guess that they'd oppose fee and dividend or any other measure as well without giving rational thought as to why. If they're going to oppose the teachings of global warming, then they might as well oppose the teachings of all science. And while they are at it, avoid anything science created - all technology, antibiotics, vaccines, diagnostic tests, chemotherapy, pain killers, any life-saving surgeries, etc. No, I am not saying to blindly accept everything scientific out there, but there comes a time when, after 40+ years of saying the same thing, and a 97% consensus by the specialty most qualified to study it, that it's time to stop arguing and get moving on the solution. The Democrats have been no better than any other party in moving forward on this issue which was a big reason why I left the party. But it's a documented fact that Republicans and Tea Party members are the even more opposed to science as a whole, and global warming, especially, and they will not get any consideration from me unless it's a specific candidate that breaks with party line or the parties as a whole stop catering to industry and corporate interests that push agendas detrimental to our health and livelihoods.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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25 Sep 2010 00:27 #28 by Wayne Harrison

Nmysys wrote: It has become apparent that the tactics of not answering questions and posing more questions, is just plain bullsh** Wayne. Don't like being backed into a corner with rational questions do you?


It's very apparent that you are uncomfortable in a conversation where the subject naturally progresses. You start a conversation about one subject and there's no deviation.

Natural conversations don't work that way in real life.

So here goes...

You believe a fetus that is not viable outside the womb is a person? That it has rights? What if it grows up to be gay? It loses it's rights?

You want God to handle climate change? Why not just put him in charge of everything? Let him provide your food, your housing, and take care of your sickness and diseases. Who needs doctors if you've got God handling things (The Christian Science view).

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