Even Thomas Jefferson knew - Copy and Paste

14 Oct 2010 17:58 #1 by Jonathan Hemlock
From the halls of Montezuma

What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
Ted Sampley - Jan 01, 2007
U.S. Veteran Dispatch

When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American
Merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for
Protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved
By Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an
Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.

Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the
Pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with
The four Barbary States . Congress appointed a special commission
Consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to
Oversee the negotiations.

Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean,
The new American government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing
to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and
buy the freedom of enslaved sailors.

Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American
Commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He
Believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted
Matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of
Trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then
The American ambassador to Britain , met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul
Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain .

The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to
Appease.

During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why
Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they
had no previous contacts.

In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents
Reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that
Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in
Their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their
Authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon
them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could
Take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in
Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims
Millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of
American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20
Percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched
A group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.

Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one
Cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American
Marines and many of America 's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast.

The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake,
USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

In 1805, American Marines marched across the desert from Egypt into
Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all
American slaves.

During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling
As a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by
Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.

Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn,
With the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli , we
Will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea."
It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat
Of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.

Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put an End to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/Jefferson.asp

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/Jefferson_papers/mtjprece....HTML

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14 Oct 2010 18:07 #2 by major bean
That is where the term "Barbaric" originated, with reference to the Muslims. We studied this in grade school.

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Major Bean

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15 Oct 2010 22:41 #3 by DaffyDick
Thomas Jefferson was one of the writers of the Constitution, in which they stated that all men are created equal, but yet, he kept slaves.

We have not yet lived up to the concept of all men are created equal until women are paid the same salary as men for doing the same job, until blacks are no longer considered as inferior, until Native American’s are no longer kept on reservations, until gay men and women are denied equal rights, until a faith other than Christianity is accepted in America.

We have a long way to go to meet the standards that Jefferson had in mind, but did not keep himself.

I would like to think that in my lifetime, I will see a time when all people in the United States of America are truly free regardless of their sex, religion, skin color, political belief, or sexual orientation.

Then, and only then, will America be a people of the people, for the people.

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16 Oct 2010 07:52 #4 by major bean

DaffyDick wrote:
...........until gay men and women are denied equal rights............

Freud strikes again.

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Major Bean

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16 Oct 2010 09:02 #5 by Jonathan Hemlock
Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and the others knew they, as well as all men, were imperfect. They, unlike the men and women of the Progressive era, knew that man could not attain perfection while here on earth. So, they created what is intended to be a society which ensures absolute freedom and wherein man can strive to become his best. In other words, man can only aspire to greatness and can only do so while living within a free society, but he could never, under an authoritarian regime.

This they knew, unlike the Progressives who to this day, mistakenly believe that as government provides all things for man and controls all aspects of society, they can create a perfect society; a society in which man can ultimately, and will attain perfection.

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