A Refreshing Take on American Exceptionalism

22 Jan 2011 03:17 #1 by lionshead2010
I know it has been all in vogue under the new administration to apologize for any and all things America does and stands for, but I found this gentleman's perspective refreshing. He makes some good points. A fun read.

America's China syndrome is overblown

...Another reigning cliche is that the sun is setting on us as it did on the British Empire. But what does that mean? China isn't remotely powerful, influential or rich enough to play the leading role of America, and we aren't nearly so weak, ignorable or poor to deserve the supporting gig as 1950s Britain.

Besides, although China clearly wants its moment in the sun, it doesn't seem particularly eager or able to lead. "When was the last time Beijing offered its own peace plan for the Arab-Israeli conflict, for instance?" asks Jonathan Eyal, Europe correspondent for the Straits Times in Singapore.

"Other emerging powers are no better," he adds. "What is India's contribution to, say, solving the crisis in Sudan? Or Russia's plan for dealing with the North Korean nuclear problem?"

In other words, American leadership is still the global norm...

Then there are China's very real problems. China has 700 million very poor people. By 2050, it will have 400 million very old people. It will "get old before it gets rich," as conservative writer Mark Steyn likes to say. The country is shot through with corruption, bogus accounting practices that make subprime mortgage bundles look like gold bullion, and a political elite that remains terrified of democracy. A confident government doesn't banish its Nobel Peace Prize winners.


Even with its copycat stealth fighter, China is certainly less of a military threat to the United States than the Soviet Union was. It's more of an economic challenger, but that's a good problem to have, right? Currency wars are better than nuclear ones.

http://townhall.com/columnists/JonahGol ... a_syndrome

I know my ultra-liberal friend in the room will dismiss the writer immediately because he is clearly a conservative and therefore (in their mind) has no credibility. However I, like Mr. Goldberg, believe that America is still great and still the best. There is certainly no place on earth I'd rather live (and I've seen several on several continents). We aren't perfect by a long shot and there is always room for improvement, but to spend all our time apologizing for things our country may or may have not done is counterproductive and puts us at a disadvantage diplomatically on the world scene. I have yet to see one benefit from the current administration's policy to "diss" America. Not one! I have seen a general degradation of our international standing though so I wonder where President Obama is going with this agenda?

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22 Jan 2011 13:43 #2 by Rick

lionshead2010 wrote:
Then there are China's very real problems. China has 700 million very poor people. By 2050, it will have 400 million very old people. It will "get old before it gets rich," as conservative writer Mark Steyn likes to say. The country is shot through with corruption, bogus accounting practices that make subprime mortgage bundles look like gold bullion, and a political elite that remains terrified of democracy. A confident government doesn't banish its Nobel Peace Prize winners. [/i]

With China's record on human rights, with wouldn't surprise me if they one day had to take the "Soylent Green" approach :Whistle

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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22 Jan 2011 14:36 #3 by Nmysys
Excellent Article Lionshead. Thank you for this perspective.

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22 Jan 2011 21:39 #4 by ScienceChic

lionshead2010 wrote: I know it has been all in vogue under the new administration to apologize for any and all things America does and stands for, but I found this gentleman's perspective refreshing. He makes some good points. A fun read.

America's China syndrome is overblown

...Another reigning cliche is that the sun is setting on us as it did on the British Empire. But what does that mean? China isn't remotely powerful, influential or rich enough to play the leading role of America, and we aren't nearly so weak, ignorable or poor to deserve the supporting gig as 1950s Britain.

Isn't remotely powerful, influential, or rich enough? That's quite the claim to make. http://www.economywatch.com/world_economy/china/ No, we aren't as weak, ignorable, or poor, but we are in very dire straits, are not implementing policies that look to the future and would give us the advantage back, and will be hurting for quite some time to come, which does weaken us.

Besides, although China clearly wants its moment in the sun, it doesn't seem particularly eager or able to lead. "When was the last time Beijing offered its own peace plan for the Arab-Israeli conflict, for instance?" asks Jonathan Eyal, Europe correspondent for the Straits Times in Singapore.

China is a much older, and vastly different culture, than our Western culture: to say that they don't want to, or can't lead, just because they aren't doing it typical Western-style (eg loud, demanding, showy, with suspect covert operations thrown in), is to completely miss the influence and methods that they prefer, and may well end up being just as effective. Don't forget; at our nascent rise, anti-foreign involvement was pervasive. We did not interfere, or closely associate with, other countries - we were isolationist. Our globalization came more so with being drawn into World Wars, forever changing our cultural attitudes toward foreign involvement. China has long been isolationist as well, but times are changing, just like they did for the U.S. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/56a99fdc-2405 ... z1BpLluWMz

"Other emerging powers are no better," he adds. "What is India's contribution to, say, solving the crisis in Sudan? Or Russia's plan for dealing with the North Korean nuclear problem?"

Well, is that because they aren't involved, or because it doesn't make the news here? http://www.indianembassy.org/policy/For ... tro%29.htm

In other words, American leadership is still the global norm...

A nice, feel-good statement there that means nothing for the future and lacks definition of how well-received and effective our "leadership" has been in solving conflicts and problems.

Then there are China's very real problems. China has 700 million very poor people. By 2050, it will have 400 million very old people. It will "get old before it gets rich," as conservative writer Mark Steyn likes to say. The country is shot through with corruption, bogus accounting practices that make subprime mortgage bundles look like gold bullion, and a political elite that remains terrified of democracy. A confident government doesn't banish its Nobel Peace Prize winners.

China Economic Review: http://www.economywatch.com/economic-review/china.html It remains to be seen if China will surpass the U.S. - they are currently in a healthier state than we are, economically, which gives them an advantage, but they do indeed have serious issues to contend with. Certainly the statement about its Nobel winners is spot-on...

Even with its copycat stealth fighter, China is certainly less of a military threat to the United States than the Soviet Union was. It's more of an economic challenger, but that's a good problem to have, right? Currency wars are better than nuclear ones.

China is definitely more of an economic challenger, rather than a military powerhouse, but the end result of an economic war would be more devastating for an individual country rather than the world as a whole. So if you're looking big picture, this opinion is true.

townhall.com/columnists/JonahGoldberg/20...ricas_china_syndrome

I know my ultra-liberal friend in the room will dismiss the writer immediately because he is clearly a conservative and therefore (in their mind) has no credibility. However I, like Mr. Goldberg, believe that America is still great and still the best. There is certainly no place on earth I'd rather live (and I've seen several on several continents). We aren't perfect by a long shot and there is always room for improvement, but to spend all our time apologizing for things our country may or may have not done is counterproductive and puts us at a disadvantage diplomatically on the world scene. I have yet to see one benefit from the current administration's policy to "diss" America. Not one! I have seen a general degradation of our international standing though so I wonder where President Obama is going with this agenda?

I myself have no problem with a conservative point of view. But, I do think that this writer is making short-sighted assumptions and invalid predictions based on a narrow set of facts. Having a feeling of exceptionalism about your country is fine, as long as you keep a realistic perspective on what's been done, is being done, why, and what the repercussions of each decision could be. Our current lack of true, strong, long-sighted leadership in our highest level of politicians does not engender confidence.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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23 Jan 2011 02:04 #5 by lionshead2010
So SC what do YOU (don't need you to cite 50 sources here) think will happen if the U.S. pulls its military forces out of the world's hot spots like the Middle East, Asia, Africa and Europe? Do you think the warring factions in those locations will shake hands and make up as we depart? If they don't seek peace and begin campaigns of genocide...who do you think will step up if America doesn't? I'm just curious.

I think America and Americans are exceptional because we dared to break up many of these fights. We take an unpopular and risky stance and end up being called world bullys for it. Maybe its time to just let them fight. Let all the innocent men, women and children who are always killed in these flash overs suffer. Turn a blind eye. Let China, India or Russia take care of it right.

I saw what China was doing in Afghanistan...and spoke to Afghans who are really pissed about it. While the U.S. and many other NATO nations expend precious blood and treasure in Afghanistan, the Chinese are busy laying hands on rich copper deposits and other mineral deposits that are relatively untapped there. I haven't seen any Chinese military forces only the Chinese extracting minerals. They are screwing some of the neediest people on earth, the Afghans, out of millions of dollars.

So I'm curious what happens when the U.S. pulls out of places like Afghanistan or the Middle East. Are YOU willing to sit back and watch the civil wars and genocide that may ensue?

If the U.S. isn't going to do it..then who is?

So my hat is off to America for sticking its neck out for others as it has done for decades-we ARE exceptional. We are the only ones, along with a few close and true allies, who actually dare to try and make a difference. All I see the Chinese doing is trying to dominate the world economic market. They have some very sticky internal problems that will serve as a cancer in their current trajectory and their internal problems will eventually destroy them.

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21 Feb 2014 16:14 #6 by Blazer Bob
3 years later.

lionshead2010 wrote: I know it has been all in vogue under the new administration to apologize for any and all things America does and stands for, but I found this gentleman's perspective refreshing. He makes some good points. A fun read.

America's China syndrome is overblown

...Another reigning cliche is that the sun is setting on us as it did on the British Empire. But what does that mean? China isn't remotely powerful, influential or rich enough to play the leading role of America, and we aren't nearly so weak, ignorable or poor to deserve the supporting gig as 1950s Britain.

Besides, although China clearly wants its moment in the sun, it doesn't seem particularly eager or able to lead. "When was the last time Beijing offered its own peace plan for the Arab-Israeli conflict, for instance?" asks Jonathan Eyal, Europe correspondent for the Straits Times in Singapore.

"Other emerging powers are no better," he adds. "What is India's contribution to, say, solving the crisis in Sudan? Or Russia's plan for dealing with the North Korean nuclear problem?"

In other words, American leadership is still the global norm...

Then there are China's very real problems. China has 700 million very poor people. By 2050, it will have 400 million very old people. It will "get old before it gets rich," as conservative writer Mark Steyn likes to say. The country is shot through with corruption, bogus accounting practices that make subprime mortgage bundles look like gold bullion, and a political elite that remains terrified of democracy. A confident government doesn't banish its Nobel Peace Prize winners.


Even with its copycat stealth fighter, China is certainly less of a military threat to the United States than the Soviet Union was. It's more of an economic challenger, but that's a good problem to have, right? Currency wars are better than nuclear ones.

http://townhall.com/columnists/JonahGol ... a_syndrome " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know my ultra-liberal friend in the room will dismiss the writer immediately because he is clearly a conservative and therefore (in their mind) has no credibility. However I, like Mr. Goldberg, believe that America is still great and still the best. There is certainly no place on earth I'd rather live (and I've seen several on several continents). We aren't perfect by a long shot and there is always room for improvement, but to spend all our time apologizing for things our country may or may have not done is counterproductive and puts us at a disadvantage diplomatically on the world scene. I have yet to see one benefit from the current administration's policy to "diss" America. Not one! I have seen a general degradation of our international standing though so I wonder where President Obama is going with this agenda?

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21 Feb 2014 16:24 #7 by LadyJazzer
And apple pie, and Mom are still good too.

Did we miss any of the usual jingoistic points?

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21 Feb 2014 17:01 #8 by FredHayek
Anyone remember when Japan was going to take over and be the new #1? I am a little more sceptical of the US staying the only superpower. I could see us become like Britain. Acting more from tradition than a real ability to influence events. I know America is very war weary and pretty much only have sanctions left in our diplomatic bag of tricks.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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22 Feb 2014 16:58 #9 by Arlen
Liberals and self-flagellation; it's amazing!

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