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16 Feb 2011 11:45 #1
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16 Feb 2011 12:47 #2
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16 Feb 2011 14:15 #3
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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Yes, this does seem to be a big leap forward in regenerative medicine. Since they are looking to commercialize it, and for sure already have patents on the technology, there are no published reports detailing the mechanisms behind how it works, potential complications, and potential drawbacks/side effects to treatment - I'd like to see that data before getting too excited. 6 patients is a good start, but those people are usually chosen for optimum results. Still, it is encouraging!
I have a question though: while this technology specifically involves adult stem cells, Dr. Gerlach's other research involves human fetal stem cells. Are you okay with him doing work with that, if it means that he can translate it to success with all his endeavors?
Bio: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach3.asp
Publications: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach2.asp
The Bioreactor Group, of which Dr. Gerlach is a member: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/bioreactor/
I have a question though: while this technology specifically involves adult stem cells, Dr. Gerlach's other research involves human fetal stem cells. Are you okay with him doing work with that, if it means that he can translate it to success with all his endeavors?
Bio: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach3.asp
Publications: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach2.asp
The Bioreactor Group, of which Dr. Gerlach is a member: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/bioreactor/
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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16 Feb 2011 16:16 #4
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As long as abortions are legal, I'd rather see fetal stem cells utilized rather than dumped down the drain. I don't see that it's much different than parents donating the organs of a baby or child that has died. so Yes I am OK.Science Chic wrote: >>> Snip
I have a question though: while this technology specifically involves adult stem cells, Dr. Gerlach's other research involves human fetal stem cells. Are you okay with him doing work with that, if it means that he can translate it to success with all his endeavors?
Bio: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach3.asp
Publications: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach2.asp
The Bioreactor Group, of which Dr. Gerlach is a member: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/bioreactor/
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16 Feb 2011 17:14 #5
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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Grady, thank you for your reply. I agree.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
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16 Feb 2011 18:28 #6
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Do you know how many people die every year because of your bureaucratic mindset? Secondly this is as successful as it is because there is no better match for stem cells than to use the patient's cells. This has been proven over and over in stem cell treatment so I am not sure why you felt compelled to beat that old feminazi horse in this thread.
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Science Chic wrote: Yes, this does seem to be a big leap forward in regenerative medicine. Since they are looking to commercialize it, and for sure already have patents on the technology, there are no published reports detailing the mechanisms behind how it works, potential complications, and potential drawbacks/side effects to treatment - I'd like to see that data before getting too excited. 6 patients is a good start, but those people are usually chosen for optimum results. Still, it is encouraging!
I have a question though: while this technology specifically involves adult stem cells, Dr. Gerlach's other research involves human fetal stem cells. Are you okay with him doing work with that, if it means that he can translate it to success with all his endeavors?
Bio: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach3.asp
Publications: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach2.asp
The Bioreactor Group, of which Dr. Gerlach is a member: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/bioreactor/
Do you know how many people die every year because of your bureaucratic mindset? Secondly this is as successful as it is because there is no better match for stem cells than to use the patient's cells. This has been proven over and over in stem cell treatment so I am not sure why you felt compelled to beat that old feminazi horse in this thread.
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16 Feb 2011 18:46 #7
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In my mind abortions are legal because women will do it anyway and it is dangerous to make it illegal but why would you want to use fetal stem cells when you have an alternative? I do not agree at all!
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Grady wrote:
As long as abortions are legal, I'd rather see fetal stem cells utilized rather than dumped down the drain. I don't see that it's much different than parents donating the organs of a baby or child that has died. so Yes I am OK.Science Chic wrote: >>> Snip
I have a question though: while this technology specifically involves adult stem cells, Dr. Gerlach's other research involves human fetal stem cells. Are you okay with him doing work with that, if it means that he can translate it to success with all his endeavors?
Bio: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach3.asp
Publications: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/people/bios/Gerlach2.asp
The Bioreactor Group, of which Dr. Gerlach is a member: http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/bioreactor/
In my mind abortions are legal because women will do it anyway and it is dangerous to make it illegal but why would you want to use fetal stem cells when you have an alternative? I do not agree at all!
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16 Feb 2011 20:44 #8
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Yes, a person's own stem cells are the best match, but exactly how do these stem cells in a "water solution" migrate to deep enough in the epidermis to adhere and start multiplying that "complete" results are seen in 4 days time? Is the new skin strong enough to withstand the abuse that normal epidermis takes, or do the patients need to take special precautions? What's the long-term effects of these stem cells - any increase in melanoma or other cancer types? Because a stem cell that migrates and reproduces that quickly can be prone to turning cancerous just as easily as it is turning into skin.
As Dr. Gerlach said in his bio, sometimes the organs are too badly damaged to harvest cells from in order to grow a new organ. As of yet, the technology does not exist to de-program an adult stem cell of one tissue and re-program it into another tissue type and grow that tissue type to anything usable; hence, embryonic stem cells, the most undifferentiated, are needed for that kind of replacement. You good with that?
Good job on throwing "feminazi" in there - has nothing to do with this debate, but score for using it! :thumbsup:
CG, it's usually not fetuses from aborted babies, but often cells that are harvested from discarded leftover embryos from fertility treatments. Couples have many more eggs fertilized than needed, frozen, saved, get implanted with some, successful pregnancy and subsequent birth, and don't want the rest as they are done having kids. Tossing those embryos in the trash is kind of like an abortion, but not really; the implantation never occurs so the embryos are never really viable offspring or "alive'. If lives can be saved from research on those cells, doesn't that make their loss more tolerable? They do no good to anyone in the incinerator.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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That isn't bureaucratic, it's pragmatic and scientific - we don't get all giddy at the first new thing. It must be proven effective AND safe and one pretty little video, that shows nothing of the process, just before pics on a person who was not the patient treated, and the "after" of a supposed patient, by a TV program on the guy who wants to sell this technology ain't enough for me, but go ahead and jump on that bandwagon if you'd like.Baileyboy wrote: Do you know how many people die every year because of your bureaucratic mindset? Secondly this is as successful as it is because there is no better match for stem cells than to use the patient's cells. This has been proven over and over in stem cell treatment so I am not sure why you felt compelled to beat that old feminazi horse in this thread.
Yes, a person's own stem cells are the best match, but exactly how do these stem cells in a "water solution" migrate to deep enough in the epidermis to adhere and start multiplying that "complete" results are seen in 4 days time? Is the new skin strong enough to withstand the abuse that normal epidermis takes, or do the patients need to take special precautions? What's the long-term effects of these stem cells - any increase in melanoma or other cancer types? Because a stem cell that migrates and reproduces that quickly can be prone to turning cancerous just as easily as it is turning into skin.
As Dr. Gerlach said in his bio, sometimes the organs are too badly damaged to harvest cells from in order to grow a new organ. As of yet, the technology does not exist to de-program an adult stem cell of one tissue and re-program it into another tissue type and grow that tissue type to anything usable; hence, embryonic stem cells, the most undifferentiated, are needed for that kind of replacement. You good with that?
Good job on throwing "feminazi" in there - has nothing to do with this debate, but score for using it! :thumbsup:
CG, it's usually not fetuses from aborted babies, but often cells that are harvested from discarded leftover embryos from fertility treatments. Couples have many more eggs fertilized than needed, frozen, saved, get implanted with some, successful pregnancy and subsequent birth, and don't want the rest as they are done having kids. Tossing those embryos in the trash is kind of like an abortion, but not really; the implantation never occurs so the embryos are never really viable offspring or "alive'. If lives can be saved from research on those cells, doesn't that make their loss more tolerable? They do no good to anyone in the incinerator.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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16 Feb 2011 21:29 #9
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I just can't look at it that way. Sorry to disagree. It probably too complicated on my end to explain it exactly so that is all I will say. Someday I will explain it to you in person.
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CG, it's usually not fetuses from aborted babies, but often cells that are harvested from discarded leftover embryos from fertility treatments. Couples have many more eggs fertilized than needed, frozen, saved, get implanted with some, successful pregnancy and subsequent birth, and don't want the rest as they are done having kids. Tossing those embryos in the trash is kind of like an abortion, but not really; the implantation never occurs so the embryos are never really viable offspring or "alive'. If lives can be saved from research on those cells, doesn't that make their loss more tolerable? They do no good to anyone in the incinerator.
I just can't look at it that way. Sorry to disagree. It probably too complicated on my end to explain it exactly so that is all I will say. Someday I will explain it to you in person.
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17 Feb 2011 06:34 #10
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Correction. You are the one who dragged abortion into it. Wanting to know if people would support using fetal cells. Don't play your liberal deflection game with me. In my opinion pro abortion libs should all be registered in a data base and used for research instead of using animals and babies, like medical jury duty.
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Science Chic wrote: Good job on throwing "feminazi" in there - has nothing to do with this debate, but score for using it! :thumbsup:
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Correction. You are the one who dragged abortion into it. Wanting to know if people would support using fetal cells. Don't play your liberal deflection game with me. In my opinion pro abortion libs should all be registered in a data base and used for research instead of using animals and babies, like medical jury duty.
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