Do Evangelicals Hate Jesus

are you a Christian?

outdoor338 wrote: are you a Christian?

By your definition or mine?

The Bibles definition, not yours or mine...

outdoor338 wrote: The Bibles definition, not yours or mine...

Why don't you point out the exact defintion you are referring to.

So, you are saying you don't know, correct?

outdoor338 wrote: So, you are saying you don't know, correct?

No, NOT correct. What exact definition of Christianty from the Bible do you mean? There are dozens of passages I can think of off the top of my head you may see as "definitions". Which one?

What is the relationship of law to grace and how do we reconcile the commands in the OT law with grace. So many say the grace is there to keep the law, but the bible states in the NT that if you fail to keep one of the laws you have broken them all. This is the very reason we are under grace. In the OT there was grace under the surface of the law in the NT grace rules over the law. If you failed in one of the commands the way it was dealt with was by sacrifice. The NT we are not under grace to keep the law of the OT because the scripture makes it clear no one can. It is Jesus who kept the law where we could not he kept it absolutely perfectly. Every requirement small or large was kept in the absolute way God required it of man. So Christ lived a perfect righteous life even to the point of his death on the cross. We are under grace because of his righteousness that is imputed or given to our account. So many people misunderstand which covenant they are living under and because of this there is so much confusion that they get condemned because they have not lived up to the perfect standard the law requires. Not realizing the purpose of the law is to make one guilty, so we are to go to the ultimate sacrifice found not in animals without blemish but in Christ Jesus the lamb.

So many do good works because they think it is demanded of them, instead of it flowing out of natural lifestyle of faith.

The old covenant was for the Jews only. For one to be under the Old covenant they need to convert to Judaism. In the new covenant, it is for both Jews and gentiles. In Eph.2 when we believe in Christ we become part of the body of Christ, not Judaism. God made a whole new entity called the church, the body of Christ, and filled it with his spirit to operate in his ways.

Hebrews 8:6, "But now hath He (Jesus) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also He is the mediator of a "Better Covenant, which was established upon "Better" Promises". The new covenant is Not a covenant of works but rest in his work. By it all the Body of Christ ' is not under of the condemning ministry of the law (2 Cor. 3:9; Rom. 8:1-2 there is no condemnation), since believers are not under the law they are beyond its grasp to condemn.(Rom. 3:19).

Paul states in Rom. 6:14..." for you are not under law but under grace." He also makes it clear in Gal. 5:18 "if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." The previous verses state "so that you do not do the things that you wish." The Law is not given to the Christian as the standard to live by, but to show the unbeliever how below the standard we do live, as Paul states in 1 Tim.1:9 The Law is for the unrighteous. Got this from a pastor friend of mine, explains the old law and NT..

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Outdoor338, the viewpoint expressed in your post contains doctrinal intrepretations I have serious disagreement with. However, I really have no interest in debating theology with you (or with you pastor), so I will pass over those differences.

It does go a ways towards explaining why you apparently feel no conflict in wanting to inflict laws based on your own theology on non-believers. However it does absolutely nothing to explain to me why so many who claim they are Bible literalists ignore certain laws in the OT and yet think others are still very important and people who break them must be publically condemned. I stand by my original statement that it is hypocritical.

AV, you have your own life to live, I have mine. I am not perfect in anyway, shape or form, and I freely admit that. I am responsible for my family while they live in our home. You have your rules, as I have mine. I do not and will not inflict my theology on others, yes...I will debate them as needed, and will defend my beliefs when attacked or challenged. I am not afraid to do so...you asked a fair question, I have no clue why some take a few verses of the OT and twist them into the NT, I can't answer that, and I agree with you that those people who do that, are hypocrites...we are in agreement!