Answer correctly, win a free beer from me!

23 Mar 2011 22:49 #1 by ScienceChic
Courtesy of me, the first 10 people to correctly answer my question below win a free beer at the next lunch!

http://motherjones.com/environment/2011 ... onism-bill
Top Florida Lawmaker Resurrects Creationism Bill
Meet the man who could take Florida schools back to the Paleocene.
— By Josh Harkinson
Thu Mar. 17, 2011

"Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" state Sen. Stephen Wise of Florida rhetorically asked a Tampa radio host in 2009.


Where is the fallacy in his thinking? Or, put another way, how is he so wrong in his thinking? A single sentence answer is all I'm looking for here, no ten-page thesis with documentation required! :biggrin:

Wise, R-Jacksonville, thinks his evolution bill may have a better chance this year because there are more conservatives in the Legislature and because he chairs a substantive committee.

“Why would you not teach both theories at the same time?” Wise said, referring to evolution and what he called “nonevolution.”

“You have critical thinking in school,” Wise added. “Why would you not do both?”


Bonus question for dessert: Why shouldn't intelligent design be taught in school science classes?
(And no, the answer is not that he would've been taught why his first quote was so ignorant, nor is it that his assumption of critical thinking occurring in schools is erroneous!) :wink:

I'll PM the answers to CinnamonGirl as soon as I hit submit so that no one thinks I fudge what answers I'm looking for. Good luck!

Go! :thumbsup:

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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24 Mar 2011 00:12 #2 by CinnamonGirl
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I have the answers..... This will be interesting.

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24 Mar 2011 05:22 #3 by TPP
I don't drink beer! :wink:

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24 Mar 2011 06:49 #4 by Nobody that matters
Evolution is based on mutation. the family of apes that evolved into humans did not eliminate the apes, they lived along side them during the evolutionary process. Evolution is a tree, not a blade of grass.

Intelligent design cannot be demonstrated through the scientific process of exprimentation. Evolution has been observed in a controlled scientific environment.

Intelligent design might be fine for a social studies class, but it falls short of science.

"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln

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24 Mar 2011 07:53 #5 by bailey bud
In theory - homo sapien is the product of a series of mutations/adaptations that occured in a sub-set of the population.

That a sub-set of the population evolved does not necessarily preclude the remainder of the population.

When Intelligent design provides testable hypothesis (and tests them), and posits generalizable actionable theories, I'll support its inclusion.

The bulk of ID is philosophical - although that brings up an interesting question - would it be okay to teach it in philosophy class? (I think it'd be fine, there)

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24 Mar 2011 08:08 #6 by Blazer Bob

Science Chic wrote: Courtesy of me, the first 10 people to correctly answer my question below win a free beer at the next lunch!

http://motherjones.com/environment/2011 ... onism-bill
Top Florida Lawmaker Resurrects Creationism Bill
Meet the man who could take Florida schools back to the Paleocene.
— By Josh Harkinson
Thu Mar. 17, 2011

"Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" state Sen. Stephen Wise of Florida rhetorically asked a Tampa radio host in 2009.


Where is the fallacy in his thinking? Or, put another way, how is he so wrong in his thinking? A single sentence answer is all I'm looking for here, no ten-page thesis with documentation required! :biggrin:

Wise, R-Jacksonville, thinks his evolution bill may have a better chance this year because there are more conservatives in the Legislature and because he chairs a substantive committee.

“Why would you not teach both theories at the same time?” Wise said, referring to evolution and what he called “nonevolution.”

“You have critical thinking in school,” Wise added. “Why would you not do both?”


Bonus question for dessert: Why shouldn't intelligent design be taught in school science classes?
(And no, the answer is not that he would've been taught why his first quote was so ignorant, nor is it that his assumption of critical thinking occurring in schools is erroneous!) :wink:

I'll PM the answers to CinnamonGirl as soon as I hit submit so that no one thinks I fudge what answers I'm looking for. Good luck!

Go! :thumbsup:


I think it begs the question.

Less sure about the bonus but it assumes the answer.

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24 Mar 2011 08:25 #7 by Grady
To quote Nobody that Matters

“Evolution is based on mutation”

and Bailey Bud

“homo sapiens is the product of a series of mutations/adaptations that occurred in a sub-set of the population”.

I would add Darwin’s “survival of the fittest” but maybe re-word it to success of the fittest. Keeping in mind that not all mutations are successful, most are not and those with the unsuccessful mutations will not pass on those mutations to their prodigy. Those with successful mutations will be able to pass on those genotypes. Each species fills an ecological niche, I am sure if you went back and looked at the apes of 2 million years ago you would find then to very different from their cousins of today. You would find that they to have adapted (mutated) to fit their environment. I’ve seen genetic studies that trace all humans back to a single mother in south central Africa.

I cannot expand on BB’s thought on intelligent design

“When Intelligent design provides testable hypothesis (and tests them), and posits generalizable actionable theories, I'll support its inclusion.

The bulk of ID is philosophical - although that brings up an interesting question - would it be okay to teach it in philosophy class? (I think it'd be fine, there)”

same here.


In truth aliens from outer space visited earth and bred with the apes. :VeryScared: :wink:

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24 Mar 2011 08:31 #8 by Nobody that matters

Grady wrote: In truth aliens from outer space visited earth and bred with the apes. :VeryScared: :wink:


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24 Mar 2011 08:35 #9 by pineinthegrass
I've never cared that much for beer, but I've evolved to like it more than I used to.

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24 Mar 2011 08:37 #10 by daisypusher
"Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" state Sen. Stephen Wise of Florida rhetorically asked a Tampa radio host in 2009.

Where is the fallacy in his thinking? Or, put another way, how is he so wrong in his thinking?

The specific fallacy is the Strawman. We did not come from apes, but a common ancestor.



"Bonus question for dessert: Why shouldn't intelligent design be taught in school science classes? "

Science is the study of the observable . It it cannot be observed it is not science and thus not taught in a science class.

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