Pimps, Lies, and Videotapes

31 Mar 2011 08:42 #1 by ScienceChic
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03 ... art-videos
Pimps, Lies, and Videotapes
Inside Andrew Breitbart's and James O'Keefe's right-wing video fantasy factory.
— By Dave Gilson
Thu Mar. 31, 2011

Ever since ACORN was taken down by a bad pimp costume and a hidden camera, right-wing media mogul Andrew Breitbart and provocateur James O'Keefe have discovered that by the time their work is exposed as disingenuously edited hit jobs, the damage is done, and their brand has been boosted. As Breitbart told the AP, http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=11317888&page=2 "I'm committed to the destruction of the old media guard. And it's a very good business model." Below, their stings to date.

(see article for table)

http://motherjones.com/media/2011/03/ja ... ed-nabbous
Why Do We Keep Falling For O'Keefe's Smear Jobs?
It took days for someone to factcheck the NPR "sting"—and then the job fell to Glenn Beck's (!!) site.
— By Monika Bauerlein and Clara Jeffery
Mon Mar. 28, 2011

The real scandal is that—even though by the time he posted a "sting" of a top NPR fundraiser, O'Keefe was notorious for creating deceptive video smear jobs (ACORN? Hello?)—the media repeated the allegations uncritically. Let's review.

O'Keefe's "scoop" debuted March 8 on the conservative Daily Caller. Edited down from a 2-hour conversation, the 12-minute clip purports to show NPR head fundraiser Ron Schiller wooing fake prospective donors who claimed to be part of a group with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. To curry favor, Schiller slags tea partiers, calling them xenophobic and racist; he also says NPR could get by without federal funding.

It wasn't until March 10 that an article on Glenn Beck's (!!) site, the Blaze, http://www.theblaze.com/stories/does-ra ... g-tactics/ reviewed the full tape http://www.theprojectveritas.org/nprjudge (which O'Keefe had posted online—guessing, correctly, that reporters wouldn't bother to watch it) and found massive deceptive editing. Schiller, it turned out, prefaced his comments by saying he was proud of having been raised a Republican; in saying tea partiers were racist, he was paraphrasing other GOPers; a laughing "That's what they said?" referring to a restaurant was moved to suggest that he was making light of the fake group's commitment to sharia.

By the time the Blaze's critique made its way around the internet, though, half the press corps—including many media critics—was headed to the SXSW convention in Austin, and the other half was busy with disasters in Japan and uprisings in the Middle East. Why was this? Simple: A good lie is by definition a hot story—crafted and timed to hit an urgent issue at just the right moment—and in a 24/7 news cycle, that presents a compelling incentive to reporters: "Let's be brutally honest," Weigel told NPR when it finally got around to forensics six days later. "The rush is to get traffic and to get the people of your organization booked on shows to talk about it. [That] leads you to not do the rigor and fact-checking that you do in other situations." And by the time you do, everyone's moved on.

For those of you who follow The Blaze, and Glenn Back, does this story make it more credible to you that O'Keefe's tactics can't be trusted and that all the previous stings that he's conducted that you may have touted as true aren't worthy of any credibility, or repetition?

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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31 Mar 2011 09:23 #2 by TPP
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O I thought this was going to be vl bio.






BTW, mother jones come-on, you're smarter than that....

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31 Mar 2011 09:42 #3 by FredHayek
But the strangest thing about this is how ACORN & NPR totally rolled on this footage. They fired the people involved rather than researching it or questioning the "victims". Or if they did question Schiller, he either believed he was guilty or NPR believed he was.

If someone made false claims about words you had said or taken them out of context, wouldn't you fight it?

Just like the female Ag worker who was fired over a edited tape. Shouldn't her bosses at least check things out before pulling the pin?

For liberals who claim only radical righties watch Fox, it sure looks like the network wields a lot of power in leftist circles.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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31 Mar 2011 10:47 #4 by pineinthegrass
I don't like O'Keefe's methods, but as was mentioned in the Blaze article, the full video of the NPR sting was made available. If the NPR people fired felt it was unjust, why not go to the full video to prove they were misrepresented? Why not file a lawsuit for slander due to a "fake" edited video?

So far as the ACORN videos go, the only thing I've heard is that O'Keefe didn't really wear a pimp suit as he represented. But just that doesn't discount everything shown in the videos.

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31 Mar 2011 11:14 #5 by OmniScience
ACORN, NPR, and PP have all been exposed and since they are unable to legitimately defend their position the only option is to demonize the messenger. Pretty sad organizations.

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31 Mar 2011 11:16 #6 by ScienceChic

TPP wrote: O I thought this was going to be vl bio.






BTW, mother jones come-on, you're smarter than that....

Explain to me what's wrong with Mother Jones, please TPP. I use them for a lot of my environmental stuff, but did you know that just a couple of days ago, they posted a story about Solar Death Panels? http://motherjones.com/environment/2011 ... ise-mojave In it, this often pro-environmental site said this:

"We've been supportive of efforts to accelerate clean-energy projects," says Jim Lyons, who studies renewable energy at the conservation nonprofit Defenders of Wildlife. "But the scale of these new projects is massive, and they could be enormously destructive to plants and animals." The trick, Loarie says, is to figure out how to build renewable-energy projects while inflicting minimal damage on the landscape."

No rah-rah "Go Solar!", but a rational viewpoint of considering the ramifications of installing renewable energy production. They cover both sides of an issue, yes more left than right, but they aren't mindless shills like many others, bought off by corporate interests.

So what about The Blaze's story? Glenn Beck's own site admits that this video grossly misrepresents Schiller - are they liberally biased now too? lol

SS109, it's knee-jerk reaction to fire them, just like the sloppy fact-checking that Weigel admitted to. Look what happened with Sherrod - she got an apology from the president once the facts finally came out. I will say this once again - the media isn't about presenting the objective facts, they are about getting ratings, even if that means an inflammatory story that's full of holes, lies, cherry-picking, and misrepresentations.

Off topic, this is why I like sites like 285Bound - because we can fact-check each other's stories and maybe find the way to the truth after filtering through all the crap between "right-wing" and "left-wing" biased stories. There is no good, fully objective, completely unbiased, big-picture perspective news organization out there - it's up to us to compare our sources and analyze for ourselves what the real message/info is. It takes more effort, but it's worth it and essential for a democracy to function - well-informed citizens are a must. You may not know this, but I appreciate all (well, almost all!) of the stuff that everyone posts here - it exposes me to viewpoints that I wouldn't normally seek out on my own and improves my perspective and understanding, whether I agree with it or not. So thank you.

But do you guys see my point - some of you jump on this crap and tout it as "truth", or get all worked up over it, before waiting for the investigations to be thoroughly completed. If you practice some patience, then what you post is a lot more credible and you'll be able to convince more people that your viewpoint is worth considering, especially if you can back it up with a logical argument. (not trying to sound preachy here, because, yes, I expect that my stuff should be looked at critically, and questioned, too). My PSA for the day! :biggrin:

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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31 Mar 2011 11:27 #7 by FredHayek
Mother Jones is seen as very Leftist since they are named for a very famous labor organizer. I would call them lefty but independent left. They choose stories based on their socialist interests but aren't willing to follow the mainstream Dem party talking points blindly. For example, they don't support the current ethanol subsidies.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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31 Mar 2011 12:09 #8 by TPP
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Science Chic wrote:

TPP wrote: O I thought this was going to be vl bio.
BTW, mother jones come-on, you're smarter than that....

Science Chic wrote: Explain to me what's wrong with Mother Jones, please TPP. I use them for a lot of my environmental stuff,

You just explained it your self!

Science Chic wrote: but did you know that just a couple of days ago, they posted a story about Solar Death Panels? http://motherjones.com/environment/2011 ... ise-mojave

Did they do one on Death Panels, I think Not!(Btw Turtle soup is really good).
Anyway, Shouldn't we relocate the turtles to a better area? So that all turtles can be equal and have the same chance as all other turtles?

Science Chic wrote: So what about The Blaze's story? Glenn Beck's own site admits that this video grossly misrepresents Schiller - are they liberally biased now too? lol

NO, As I've said it's the TRUTH, no matter where it lands Right/left or those that just don't care..

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31 Mar 2011 12:15 #9 by TPP
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“Center for Biological Diversity, and two Sierra Club volunteers”, need I read on, well lunch is almost over so, I guess a little more...
“Despite the evidence of imprecise census work, major green groups chose not to sue over the project. No one wants to look like they're against renewable energy, explains Gloria D. Smith, a senior attorney with the Sierra Club.”
Nope I’m done foolish crap they even say so… Frick'in Hypocrites! :bash

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31 Mar 2011 12:18 #10 by ScienceChic
TPP - if you read the Solar Death panels article, they discuss the problems with relocating the turtles, especially in regards to the massive amounts of land that are projected to be used for solar panels.

What truth are you talking about? Do you mean that you agree that these videos have been misrepresented about PP, NPR, ACORN, et al and people are grossly negligent in perpetuating these stories? Or do you mean truth just in general, and you're not taking a stand about these videos?

I agree that many environmentalist groups are hypocrites, but that's not the issue here - it's the perpetuation of lies by our media, and people getting in hysterics over lies that they don't bother checking out first. Or admitting that they were wrong after the truth is brought to light.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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