A Timeline of Marriage

residenttroll wrote: It's incredibly stupid for anyone to believe that women have always been treated like property and used for just raising babies and making dinners. It's appalling that individuals like you and SC let stupid writers lower woman into the seepage of feminism/liberalism and destroy the most important aspects of woman's life...to give life and raise life. It's sick! Just plain sickness abounds...

So women weren't always just used for making and raising babies? But now it's the liberals and feminists fault for destroying the "most important aspects of a woman's life - to make and raise babies"????????????? Huh, wha? You totally contradicted yourself - if nothing has changed, i.e. it's never been a woman's primary job to make and raise babies, then how did the liberals and feminists create such a paradigm shift?

How is stupid to believe that women have been treated as property when it took a law to be passed in order for women to keep possession of their earnings?

it wasn't until 1870 and 1882 that England passed the Married Women's Property Acts, which allowed women to keep money they earned and inherit property.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awl ... y_law.html - property laws in the U.S.
http://www.soyouwanna.com/married-women ... -1705.html

I'm not saying that all women were always treated that way, there were surely exceptions - but the general rule of society was as it was described in the OP. Nothing liberal or feminist about it, it's just the facts of the way it was. Does that make you uncomfortable RT, knowing it was conservative men like yourself who treated women so callously, and women like myself and CG who pushed for reforms, and that's what leads you to protest so vociferously?

While it is a very important aspect of women's lives to create and nurture life, it is far from destroyed, nor is it/should it be the sole duty of women. It is perfectly acceptable for a woman or a couple to choose to not procreate and still live [a] meaningful and productive life[lives]. It is also still her/their choice to have children and continue to work, or her/him to choose to stay at home with them and go back to work later. How those choices affects a family dynamic, and society as a whole, is for another topic of discussion.

major bean wrote:

Science Chic wrote: Yes, it's so awful that women aren't treated as property anymore. :Loco: :faint:

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I love information like this - gives a nice big picture of how people used to think and behave, and shows that what we practice now will be radically different than what our descendants think and do. Well, except for RT's family - they'll live in a compound desperately trying to bring back the good 'ole days where they drag their women by the hair back to the cave!

I am sorry to inform you but Muslims still treat their women as property to this day. Polically correct Americans want to fawn all over quaint religions and cultures but then give lip service to "women aren't treated as property anymore".

My deepest apologies for not responding to you immediately - I spent the day with my family and working outside in my garden rather than ignoring them being on the computer.

My quote was meant as a generalization, not as an absolute. Certainly not all societies are perfect, even including our "civilized" western one. I don't recall glossing over what Muslim women suffer, but neither do I pessimistically generalize it as being that way for all Muslim women. I pretty much agree with archer's reply.

I myself don't fawn all over religion; on the contrary, one of the biggest reasons that I am agnostic is that I see religious groups as mainly a negative, controlling element in most people's lives. As Albert Einstein said, "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." I see too many religions that use fear, and hope of reward, as a motivator, for whatever notions they ascribe to in their belief set, belief sets that often are all about spreading and strengthening that religious practice. Religions tend not to endorse questioning: "In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must, above all, be a sheep."-Albert Einstein and the progress that we humans have made over the centuries has come from questioning, not accepting the status quo, changing, and adapting. People of certain religious groups have certainly progressed further than others, but it's only a matter of time before Muslim women gain the rights that Christian, Jewish, etc women have gained.

Babyboy - typical deflection by answering a question with a question, or insults. Care to contribute anything substantial to this discussion, or actually straight-up answer CG's question?