Local Schools - The Grim Reaper

residenttroll wrote:

AspenValley wrote:
Wrong you are. There are boatloads of crappy private schools, especially down south. Mostly so-called "Acadmies" that exist only because white people won't send their kids to public schools where black children are.

Oh wow, now you are saying that white folks send their kids to horrible schools just to avoid the black people. How stupid of a comment is that?

It's stupid alright, but people do it. I speak from firsthand experience in my own immediate family.

AspenValley wrote: The more expensive ones can be quite good, most of the cheaper ones are one step under awful. Unlike RT, not everyone has that extra 9K a year just hanging around to pay the higher tuition at a good private school. I can't imagine any voucher system that would provide enough funds for everyone to choose really good private schools.

Hey AV, I don't have the extra $ 9K hanging around...but IF I wanted my kids to go to Kent with a voucher...I just might work an extra night job so they could....

That's fine. But a lot of people are already working a second job just to put food on the table.

AspenValley wrote: I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of vouchers if I wasn't intimately familiar with the true awfulness of some private schools out there. I think private schools can be great and homeschooling can be too. Neither one is for every family, though.

Parental choice should trump what you think - give me a voucher and let me decide how to spend my money and how I want to educate my children.... but only a true socialist wants control of my children, my money, and their hearts and minds.

I don't want control of your children or anyone's hearts and minds. But I do think a strong public school system is important to society as a whole, which all of us benefit by. I am willing to contribute to it to the best of my ability.. As a parent myself, who has homeschooled, sent kids to private school, and also sent kids to public school, sure it would seem great to have the option of someone helping me out with private tuition but that doesn't mean switching to vouchers altogether would be the best thing for everyone.

am willing to contribute to it to the best of my ability..

Why? Gooberment schools are an utter failure. Just last month it was reported that a staggering 82 percent of U.S. public schools were failing. Liberal educators have been dumbing down students for years!

Back to my question...would you continue to invest in a company with those kinds of disastrous results? :scared:

Trouble wrote:

am willing to contribute to it to the best of my ability..

Why? Gooberment schools are an utter failure. Just last month it was reported that a staggering 82 percent of U.S. public schools were failing. Liberal educators have been dumbing down students for years!

Back to my question...would you continue to invest in a company with those kinds of disastrous results? :scared:

I guess she also believes it takes $ 11,600 to edimicate students each year. Heck, at $ 11,600 each .... imagine giving a mother $ 11,600 for each child she homeschooled.. Wow - more mothers would stay at home!

residenttroll wrote:

Trouble wrote:

am willing to contribute to it to the best of my ability..

Why? Gooberment schools are an utter failure. Just last month it was reported that a staggering 82 percent of U.S. public schools were failing. Liberal educators have been dumbing down students for years!

Back to my question...would you continue to invest in a company with those kinds of disastrous results? :scared:

I guess she also believes it takes $ 11,600 to edimicate students each year. Heck, at $ 11,600 each .... imagine giving a mother $ 11,600 for each child she homeschooled.. Wow - more mothers would stay at home!

I LOVE IT when you talk like that!

I don't disagree that public schools aren't coming up to the standards of the rest of the developed world and education is being dumbed down. But that's true in private schools too and yes, among some homeschoolers.

But just because some homeschoolers fail, should we not allow any parents to undertake it? Just become some private schools are pathetic in quality, should we ban private schools? Neither should we just walk away from public schools because they're not delivering what we want and need from education.

There are quite a few other countries who are doing a great job with their public schools. I'm guessing it's because parents are demanding it. Here? How many adults over 21 never read a serious book after high school? How many adults haven't read a serious book in the past year? How many adults model by their own behavior that education is not only not important, but that people who pursue higher education are scorned as "elites"? Is it any wonder we aren't producing higher quality graduates when there are so many adults who plainly don't value education?

But that's true in private schools too and yes, among some homeschoolers.

Private schools fall flat on their face if/when they don't produced results. Parents just pull their money and their kids and go elsewhere. I'm interested in finding out more about failing private schools. Can you direct me to that information?

If homeschoolers don't produce results then shame on them but at the very least they didn't waste my money screwing around.

Trouble wrote:

But that's true in private schools too and yes, among some homeschoolers.

Private schools fall flat on their face if/when they don't produced results. Parents just pull their money and their kids and go elsewhere. I'm interested in finding out more about failing private schools. Can you direct me to that information?

If homeschoolers don't produce results then shame on them but at the very least they didn't waste my money screwing around.

I LOVE IT when you talk like that.

1. Would you pay teachers more money who do a crappy job because they perceive that their pay is not sufficient and have an attitude that "if you pay me more I will teach better"?
2. Will more money make teachers teach better?
3. If the number of good teachers is limited, how will paying teachers more increase the number of good teachers available?
4. If, as Aspen Valley says, the parents are more involved where students acheive better, how will paying more money to teachers increase parent involvement? If the parents have no expectations of their children how will paying teachers more money create greater parental expectations?

AspenValley wrote: There are boatloads of crappy private schools, especially down south. Mostly so-called "Acadmies" that exist only because white people won't send their kids to public schools where black children are.

That is the old wornout '60s sterotyping and is total fabrication. But if it makes you feel more comfortable, then, carry on!

deltamrey wrote: Aspen - the schools are not bad - I did not say that at all - skills here are marginal and those with skills do drive down the hill because that is where the jobs are - well deer hunting and snow plowing are not high value jobs as we all know........gasoline is a factor. THE issue is the unfriendly environment created by deer gutters and guess what - skills and $$$$ are fleeing.


I do not disagree fully with your demographic analysis. Cheap vacation homes are indeed now on the market. NO industry to speak of. Ask me about "GREEN PODS".......a solution.

I believe I have pretty good skills, electrical and mechanical both learned in the Navy. I now use them in my day to day job up here, both skills are needed. I also get paid pretty damn good also.