Nation's CEOs paid better last year than in 2007

06 May 2011 14:58 #21 by LadyJazzer
And you keep drinking that libertarian kool-aid... Limiting the size of government has NOTHING to do with the reward system that has been set up to reward companies for taking their jobs offshore.

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06 May 2011 15:01 #22 by BearMtnHIB

Sorry. I'm not drinking that koolaid.

Taxes, personal, corporate and capital gains, are at one of the lowest levels they have been at since WWII. The percentage of union workers has dropped to about a third of what it was in the 1950s.

In fact, big business has gotten practically everything they have demanded, dished up to them under 30 years of Republican dominance, including the gutting of a lot of regulations. Obama hasn't raised corporate tax rates. So that means that for 12 straight years, all the things you say are what are needed for job growth were there.


We have the second highest corporate tax rate in the free world. Regulations are so numerous that companies need accountants and laywers to interpret them.

Where are the jobs?

They left- and they are not comin back until they see a friendly environment again.
There are trillions of investment dollars waiting..... waiting....... waiting.....
Capital is on strike.

We are starting to see what it's like - when we demonize our corporations.

China is pretty friendly though!

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06 May 2011 15:05 #23 by BearMtnHIB
LJ- if the libertarians were in charge- there would not be a reward system for offshoring jobs.

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06 May 2011 15:06 - 06 May 2011 15:08 #24 by LadyJazzer
So, I'm still waiting for an answer to the question... For the 8 years that Bush was in power and transferring the wealth from the middle-class to the wealthy with unpaid for tax-cuts, and if all this wealth at the top creates more jobs, where are they?

And no, if the libertarians were in charge there would be work camps, internment camps and death camps for anyone that they felt was not "earning their keep" and "producing"...including the old, the sick, the handicapped and the infirm...

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06 May 2011 15:08 #25 by BearMtnHIB
Capital is on strike.

See above.

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06 May 2011 15:09 - 06 May 2011 15:11 #26 by LadyJazzer

BearMtnHIB wrote: Capital is on strike.

See above.


I "saw above", and it didn't answer the question, and it's still bullsh**.

Since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem, here is the question again: "For the 8 years that Bush was in power and transferring the wealth from the middle-class to the wealthy with unpaid for tax-cuts, and if all this wealth at the top creates more jobs, where are they?"

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06 May 2011 15:10 #27 by AspenValley

BearMtnHIB wrote:

Sorry. I'm not drinking that koolaid.

Taxes, personal, corporate and capital gains, are at one of the lowest levels they have been at since WWII. The percentage of union workers has dropped to about a third of what it was in the 1950s.

In fact, big business has gotten practically everything they have demanded, dished up to them under 30 years of Republican dominance, including the gutting of a lot of regulations. Obama hasn't raised corporate tax rates. So that means that for 12 straight years, all the things you say are what are needed for job growth were there.


We have the second highest corporate tax rate in the free world. Regulations are so numerous that companies need accountants and laywers to interpret them.

Where are the jobs?

They left- and they are not comin back until they see a friendly environment again.
There are trillions of investment dollars waiting..... waiting....... waiting.....
Capital is on strike.



LOL, you know as well as I do that the corporate tax RATE has absolutely nothing to do with how much taxes corporations actually PAY. How many multi-million dollar corporations pay NO TAXES? And even if that argument wasn't nonsense, and it is, it is not a new development. How do you account for the fact that American corporations were paying higher tax rates in the 1960s than they do now, yes even in comparison to other countries, and yet there were lots of good jobs with good benefits? Lots of UNION jobs I might add.

As to the second part of your statement, yes, they left. But they left because they could hire people in Pakistan and India and Mexico at a fraction of what they were paying American employees. And you're right, they're not coming back until they see a "friendly" environment, meaning that our wages are as low as those in India. Is that the vision you have for America?

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06 May 2011 15:12 #28 by AspenValley

BearMtnHIB wrote: LJ- if the libertarians were in charge- there would not be a reward system for offshoring jobs.


The "reward system" for offshoring jobs is cheaper wages abroad. How would putting libertarians in charge change that?

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06 May 2011 15:27 #29 by AspenValley

BearMtnHIB wrote: Capital is on strike.

See above.


So in other words, what you are saying is that we gave them all they demanded in the form of tax cuts in order for them to create jobs, and they still didn't do it.

Isn't that the definition of a failed policy?

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06 May 2011 15:30 #30 by BearMtnHIB

"For the 8 years that Bush was in power and transferring the wealth from the middle-class to the wealthy with unpaid for tax-cuts, and if all this wealth at the top creates more jobs, where are they?"


What we have now is a system where the government picks the winners and the losers in our economy- with all those special tax breaks. And I agree they all need to be eliminated. GE pays no taxes because of the special rules- a smaller competitor may have a 30% tax rate.

I don't have all the answers on how to get the jobs that went to china and india back- and I don't think the left has the answer either. They may not ever come back.

It's going to be tough, we need to innovate and create new industry, and provide incentives to keep business here. We need a business friendly environment.

It we don't - we are all screwed.

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